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User currently offlineTarzanboy From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 132 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16688 times:

Guys, can a guy with 250 hours and a dash 8-300 type rating have patential for an airlnie job? do you think the airline may hire him? the guy in particular is 25 years old

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16280 times:

Add another zero behind your 250 hours and maybe.


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 16233 times:

Yes I agree. He needs atleast a few thousand hours and Then he can Be considered to be an Airline Pilot. As He is 25, I suggest that he gets the other 3 000 or more hours quickley.
Also having a rating in an Aircraft with a glass cockpit will boost your chances.

AerLingus330



Aer Lingus Airbus A330-300
User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 16224 times:

Having a type rating means zero if you don't have the experience in that airplane to go with it. Unfortunately, he will probably find that even when he gets a couple thousand more hours, the type rating will not help (unless he gets those couple thousand more hours in a dash-8).


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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7273 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16185 times:

Well what license does he have? ATPL?
If he lives in Europe than maybe 500-800 mores hours could get him an job. How many Multi and IFR hours does he have. You want atleast 150 Multi and not sure how many IFR maybe 100.
In the US you will need atleast 1400 hours have a chance at a Regional Job unless you have some connections.



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User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 16102 times:

Actually you only need to meet the minimums to get a regional job, which means 1000 total time and 100 multi for most. They are hiring at the minimums right now.


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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 16069 times:

Actually, you are a likely candidate to get hired by LIAT or Caribbean Star in the Caribbean. Both airlines are looking for Dash 8 pilots right now. With you having a Dash 8 rating as well, that would be a big plus for you!!


You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 16021 times:

Now, does have to have tailstrike training too? Big grin

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15930 times:

Depending on what type of airline he is looking for, it could be a huge advantage.

The question is being asked from Europe and there are some Dash 8 operators there which require that you pay for your own training.

If he has the ME/CPL/IFR and a JAA Frozen ATPL, he could probably sell himself to someone like Cirrus or Tyrollean. Just a guess.

The time requirements in Europe are quite different than in the US. I got my first job over there with 260 hours, flying a Saab2000. I did not have the rating. But I lived in Switzerland and had the Swiss licenses, which helped a lot. Crossair trained us on the Saab and we all got our type ratings.



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 15916 times:

It could be a disadvantage too. Where did this type rating come from? A lot of people look down upon anyone that goes out and buys stuff such as type ratings to get a job.

User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15902 times:

flyf15,

It is very different in Europe. Over there pilots do not instruct for 1000 hours in a 152.

Besides, some US carriers require that you either come with or buy your own type rating. Southwest Airlines is such an airline.

Everyone gets down on other companies which require their pilots to pay for training, but nobody gets down on Southwest Airlines.

I was once chatting with a Southwest pilot in a hotel. He was all pompous and all because he flies a bigger airplane than I do. I told him that I disapprove of WN's requirement that the pilots train themselves at their own cost. I could see him getting pretty hot under the collar.

Double standard.



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17172 posts, RR: 66
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 15871 times:

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 10):
He was all pompous and all because he flies a bigger airplane than I do.

Yeah, cause the 738 is really enormous lol.

The problem with pilot jobs is that so many people are pilots due to a "calling". They want to be pilots. Plus you have all the military pilots. So it's easy for employers to be picky with their requirements. If no one wanted to be a pilot except for the money, things would be quite different.



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User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15839 times:

The pool of quality pilots is shrinking. The majors are recalling furloughed pilots in the US and the pool of new ones is getting smaller.

I know that some so-called "regional" airlines in the US are having to lower their minimum requirements regarding hours. Some are below 1000 total, with just 100 or so of multi-engine time.

I am convinced that there will be a pilot shortage in the next 5 years.

But back to the subject at hand....

The Dash 8 type rating can be helpful, but only really to help find a job flying that particular plane.



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineFlymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7273 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15836 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 11):
Yeah, cause the 738 is really enormous lol.

They fly 737-700 and 733.

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 12):

I am convinced that there will be a pilot shortage in the next 5 years.

That is to short. I would like a shortage in 8-10 years. Because that when I will hopefully have a chance at a job.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15837 times:

Flymia,

Hang in there! Being a pilot sucks though. Worst job in the world.

But I wouldn't trade it for anything! Big grin



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17172 posts, RR: 66
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day ago) and read 15825 times:

Quoting Flymia (Reply 13):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 11):
Yeah, cause the 738 is really enormous lol.

They fly 737-700 and 733.

I stand corrected (had the fleet confused with FR), but my point remains  Wink



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2345 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 15807 times:

Im surpised that someone wasnt brought up the US ATP license. Last I checked the minimum was 1500 hours. And frankly, at 250 hours (the minimum for a Commercial License) you are going to be hard pressed to find a job flying a Cessna 182 for sky diving let alone an airline. Now you could be lucky (or stubborn, depending on your interpretation) to get a job right seat on something such as a King Air or a single pilot biz jet, but that all depends on who ya know. Anywho if you do want to get into pro-piloting, Id advise your CFI as soon as possible. Anywho best of lucka nd keep the blue side up.


ATCT



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User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 15802 times:

ATCT,

The requirements in Europe a different than in the US. If the time requirements of the US were applied to Europe there would be no pilots there because "grass roots" G/A does not exist to nearly the same extent as it does here.

There is no local FBO looking for CFIs. There are not many local glider clubs or parachute clubs or banner towing opportunities.

The training in Europe through the CPL/IFR/ME is much harder than it is in the US.

Most airlines in Europe require a minimum of 200 hours, a current JAA CPL/IFR/ME and a frozen ATPL in order to be competitive. Then the candidate will go through a fairly stringent interview process, often with extensive psychological screening, and a very thorough simulator check. Additionally, a written test is also normal. Only when all that is passed will the candidate get a job.

I saw a lot of good pilots over there never get jobs for one reason or another.

The fact is that the US system does just fine in its production of pilots and Europe does just fine with its system. Neither is better than the other, as they both have a lot of filters before you will ever fly a serious airplane.

Next time anyone gets on an airliner in Europe I bet you would be shocked to hear the flight time of the F/Os.

The job is not that hard hard and it does not take 2000 hours experience to be competent to sit in the right seat of a Dash 8.



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineB727-100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 15695 times:

Had 400 hours and did my type rating on Fokker 100 - now line flying and earning money!!!

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