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User currently offlineCrogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 5 months ago) and read 2703 times:

I was just hired for a ground ops position, and I'm heading into the training next month for two weeks, I was curious as what to expect? They said there would be tests daily, would it be on how to operate the machinery etc?


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12218 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months ago) and read 2696 times:
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what you have learnt, work place safety, machinery, give way rules etc

User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Ramping? Hazardous material was a big issue as far as theory goes. Then familiarity with the aircraft types handled, how to operate the machinery, how to get those trolley trains right up to the highloaders, stacking bags (which is an artform), stacking bags quickly (even more of an artform)...


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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6072 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

Another good thing to know and understand, is having situational awareness. The ramp can be a busy place, and knowing where other vehicles are, and being prepared for any possibility is a must. Know your vehicles abilities and faults. Oh, and don't do donuts.  Smile


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User currently offlineTwinCommander From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 3):
Know your vehicles abilities and faults. Oh, and don't do donuts.

donuts are required of your using lektro tugs  Smile


User currently offlineGecko From Singapore, joined Sep 2004, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

You will have to demonstrate how bigger wheelie you can do in a baggage tug to your instructor.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

Check your Vehicles Brakes before starting out.Follow the rules on the Ramp.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineJeb94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Aircraft marshalling signals might be important.

User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

Quoting TwinCommander (Reply 4):
donuts are required of your using lektro tugs

I almost rolled one once, that would have been very bad.

Been on two wheels a few times.



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User currently offlineTwinCommander From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 8):
Quoting TwinCommander (Reply 4):
donuts are required of your using lektro tugs

I almost rolled one once, that would have been very bad.

Been on two wheels a few times.

HAHA!

the smaller wheel base ones are notorious for the dreaded 2 wheel boogy. however, when you get on the big red or the new super big red, you can park one of the drive wheels and just throw the passenger end at a nice G-rate.

its fun, but make sure you do it on a VERY black ramp  Smile

also, the big reds do awesome burnouts  Smile


User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2316 times:

You HAVE to always have situational awareness (keep your head up). I see complacency and a lack of respect towards machinery on a daily basis, and it DOES catch up to you.

Sadly, tragedy happens in the blink of an eye, as it did this morning with the ramper in DCA.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2315 times:
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MY advice. Play a lot of Tetris before you get into the bin to satck for the first time. Seriously though, being a ramper is a tough job. There will be days where you will get your ass kicked out on the flight line and you will wonder why you do it. There will also be days where you have a great time and love your job. Be prepared for the weather. Depending where you live you will experience all types of weather. Be prepared to smell like sweat and Jet A, also prepare for a wicked farmers tan. You will have a fun time learning the job. Learning to pushback is going to be the best time. Remember, if you want the tail of the plane to turn to the right, then you need to turn left. To turn the tail left you will turn to the right. Enjoy it.


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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 11):
Be prepared to smell like sweat and Jet A, also prepare for a wicked farmers tan.

You know it's bad when the one from the previous year never went away. I look like I'm wearing socks even when I'm not  Smile



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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 11):
Be prepared to smell like sweat and Jet A

Don't forget glycol!!!

fluffy


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Dont be surprised if people start avoiding you for the Aroma,until you've had a Bath  Smile
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4838 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2216 times:
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Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 11):
Remember, if you want the tail of the plane to turn to the right, then you need to turn left. To turn the tail left you will turn to the right. Enjoy it.

From what perspective? I learned, turn the wheel in the direction you want the tail to turn...from your perspective in the seat of the pushback meaning if you are sitting on the pushback staring at the nose of the plane and you want the tail to go left, you would turn left on the wheel.

[Edited 2005-06-09 03:17:42]


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User currently offlineUAcsOKC From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 11):
Remember, if you want the tail of the plane to turn to the right, then you need to turn left. To turn the tail left you will turn to the right. Enjoy it.

What kind of Tug are you driving? In our world of two-pivot towbars, you turn the same direction you want the tail to go, then follow the nose through the turn.

Quoting Crogalski (Thread starter):
I was just hired for a ground ops position,

By the way, who are you going to work for?



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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 15):
Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 11):
Remember, if you want the tail of the plane to turn to the right, then you need to turn left. To turn the tail left you will turn to the right. Enjoy it.

From what perspective? I learned, turn the wheel in the direction you want the tail to turn...from your perspective in the seat of the pushback meaning if you are sitting on the pushback staring at the nose of the plane and you want the tail to go left, you would turn left on the wheel.



Quoting UAcsOKC (Reply 16):
What kind of Tug are you driving? In our world of two-pivot towbars, you turn the same direction you want the tail to go, then follow the nose through the turn.

I was thinking the same thing, but I didn't want to get into it. I hear so many people say that when trying to train new guys on the pushback and its very misleading. There is nothing worse than starting to turn a plane and realizing you've gone the wrong way...expecially in a tight space.

I always tell guys if you want the tail to go to your left, for example, you need to get the pushback on "your left" (the planes' right) side of the fuselage which requires an initial turn to the left.



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