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Easy Way To Remember Port And Starboard?  
User currently offlineTupolevTu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2186 posts, RR: 28
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 29640 times:

Well, I remember that the Red Light is on the left hand side of the aircraft, and the green on the right when you're inside in normal seating positions, but how do you lot all remember port from starboard, or starboard from port?

Any ideas, like little rhymes or anything? I can never remember!

Thanks

Tom Big grin


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User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 29666 times:

Two things:

1. Left and port are both 4 letters

2. Port wine is red.

Geoff M.


User currently offlineWilax From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 465 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 29626 times:

Port is the side that the jetway pulls up to...

User currently offlineLubicon From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 29621 times:

Port and left both have fewer letters than starboard and right.

User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 29609 times:

The "P" in Port is alphabetically closer to the "L" in Left; the "S" in Starboard is alphabetically closer to the "R" in Right.

Of course, the best way to remember is to just use the terms "Port" and "Starboard" on a regular basis (in your head, if not in public) and then you won't need gimmicks to remember which side is which.



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User currently offlineSkyWestFan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 179 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 29594 times:

Right is never Red.


SW
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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 29591 times:

I've always remembered that I was port-handed.

We're creative, you know.
 Smile



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User currently offlineVSIVARIES From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 108 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 29585 times:

It's the same in sailing and aviation.

In sailing they always say a ship has 'left port'.



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User currently offlineKBUF737 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 29549 times:

But if you were a rower it became more confusing as I rowed port, but my oar was to the right, yet the viewpoint from the coxwain's vantage has port where it is supposed to be, on the left.


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User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 18 hours ago) and read 29507 times:

"Is there any red port left?"

User currently offlineEfohdee From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 29498 times:

Left red, right green
Two R's never go together.
Port and starboard I dont know thought that was maritime stuff


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 29460 times:

Look at your Right hand & say Starboard.green.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineTupolevTu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2186 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 29423 times:

Thanks for your help guys! I'll learn some of these suggestions, please excuse my ignorance in the first place  Silly

Tom Big grin



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User currently offlineVc10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1412 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 8 hours ago) and read 29406 times:

Just as well that they changed it from Larboard to Port, other wise there would be no easy way to remember it

Be Happy little vc10


User currently offlineATCisgreat From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 103 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 29357 times:

Is there any port left??


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User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2577 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 29254 times:

Quoting KBUF737 (Reply 8):
But if you were a rower it became more confusing as I rowed port, but my oar was to the right, yet the viewpoint from the coxwain's vantage has port where it is supposed to be, on the left.

This is precisely why the terms port and starboard are less ambiguous than left and right. Port and starboard are directions relative to the ship/aircraft axis, not the observer. If you use left/right terminology you are more likely to confuse this with your own left and right sides. And it's not just a left/right confusion. A flight engineer would have to remember that starboard is in front and port is behind  Wink

Which ever way you are facing, port and starboard remain unchanged, relative to your vessel.

In the days when British aircraft manufacturers still made aircraft, we had port outer, port inner, starboard inner and starboard outer for engines 1,2,3 & 4. Much more picturesque (and meaningful unless you knew the left to right number convention). European aircraft still identify hydraulic systems by colour, rather than number.

Regarding remembering them, just use the terms regularly. Mnemonics can get confusing.



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9545 posts, RR: 42
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 29202 times:

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 15):
Mnemonics can get confusing

True. "Is there any port left?" can become "There's still some port, right?".  Smile


User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 29153 times:

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 15):
(and meaningful unless you knew the left to right number convention)

Would that be looking from the front or from facing forward?  Wink

Geoff M.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 29142 times:

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 15):
If you use left/right terminology you are more likely to confuse this with your own left and right sides.

Very true and always a challenge for flight attendants. They are taught "aircraft standard practice" where left and right refer to "as viewed from the pilot station, facing forward" so the left wing is always the airplane's left wing, no matter which way YOU are facing. Now along comes a passenger to ask where their seat is. They have to reverse it - Seat A is always aircraft left but they have to tell the passenger walking aft that it is on their right.

Large aircraft systems controls and indicators are normally schematically correct and schematics are normally oriented with forward up and left-left. So that the gauge and switch for the left engine or system in on the left side of the panel etc. You can see this in several places on this 727 flight engineer panel. For example upper left are the controls for ##s 1,2 & generators which are left, center and right. Below that the fuel controls. There are other examples here as well.

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I found an apparent exception however:

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The Boeing 727 fuel jettison controls - the control for tank #1 (left wing) is on your right and the control for tank #3 (right wing) is on your left.

The reason is, I suppose, this is viewed while you are facing aft, so it is still "directional." The panel is behind the red-handle FUEL DUMP door seen above the F/E seat in this picture.

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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 983 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 29023 times:

Many people think of captain and first officer as pilot and co-pilot. The port side of the aircraft is also the pilot or captain's side which is how I remember it.


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User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 28996 times:

Quoting Avt007 (Reply 9):
"Is there any red port left?"

Thats how i used to remember it... now its just autonomous...  Wink



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User currently offlineBhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1023 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 28861 times:

Starboard
The Vikings called the side of their ship its board, and they placed the steering oar, the "star" on the right side of the ship, thus that side became known as the "star board." It's been that way ever since. And, because the oar was in the right side, the ship was tied to the dock at the left side. This was known as the loading side or "larboard". Later, it was decided that "larboard" and "starboard" were too similar, especially when trying to be heard over the roar of a heavy sea, so the phrase became the "side at which you tied up to in port" or the "port" side. ...Soooo the way I remember it is: The "steering board" the rudder, back then, was on the RIGHT side...

Cheers...



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User currently onlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 983 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 28855 times:

For the nav light colors:

"Right red wrong!"

Port - "Pick Only RED Tomatoes"


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User currently offlineJDD1 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 94 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 28670 times:

Left and port are the two short words
Right and starbord are the two long words


User currently offlineFaroeFlyer From Faroe Islands, joined Aug 2005, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 28582 times:

I heard the word "starboard" comes from the Viking age when the boat was steered on the right side. Maybe "port" comes from the side that faced... port.

Also I heard "board" derives from Norse "bard", which should mean "edge". But then again, I can be way off.

Edit: Don't think this will help you much remembering which is which tho  Smile

[Edited 2005-08-17 21:35:34]


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25 Waketurbulence : I used to row as well, and sometimes it got confusing, because the boat is also upside down when you wash the hull and flipping it over was always a h
26 HAWK21M : Once you get used to it.Its not difficult.Never really thought of any way to remember it.It just became a habit. regds MEL
27 Buzz : Hi TupolevTU154, Buzz here. I explain it to people who haven't been around boats very often this way: I hold a bottle of Port (wine) in my Left hand.
28 L-188 : Yup, that is the version of the story that I have heard too. The port side of the longboat was tied, oddly enough to the port, and the steering board
29 Post contains images HAWK21M : Very Good way to Remember. regds MEL
30 SkydrolBoy : I use "Stop, No red port left" to help me remember....
31 Woodreau : I just use a dry erase marker and write an "L" and "P" on the left side of the windshield and "R" and "S" on the right side ... It doesn't really matt
32 David L : I thought the location of the port and starboard buoys was determined by the direction of the tidal flow.
33 Post contains links Woodreau : Nope, it is based on which whichever IALA buoyage system is adopted by the country. Europe, Australia, Middle East is IALA A, US and Japan is IALA B.
34 10MID : Here's an easy way to remember: Port is Left Starboard is Right Commit that to memory. It's just 2 items. What is so hard about that?
35 CX flyboy : Wow, some interesting suggestions. Personally, I remember that Port, Left and Red and are short words, and Right, Starboard and Green are all longer w
36 David L : I felt obliged to check and, of course, you're right. I was obviously confusing channel markers, "open" at both ends so an arbitraty direction has to
37 Mandala499 : You dock to port... Unless you're at one of those places where the right hand side doors open for pax instead... :P Mandala499
38 Post contains images Bragi : One of my ground school instructors had his own method of teaching prospective pilots to remember this: "The First Officer has stars in his eyes!"
39 ZKSUJ : Green is right and port wine is red.
40 Glom : I was taught, "The red ship left the port." It worked for me.
41 Post contains images Bond007 : First of all, I have my commercial pilot license and never had to use the terms 'port' or 'starboard' ! But....since I also like boating.....port and
42 Bsergonomics : This isn't entirely relevant, but the word 'Posh' is supposed to come from the sides of the ship. When sailing from Great Britain to India, the prefer
43 HAWK21M : Amazing.This thread has already logged in 42 replies.Never thought it would ever. The question remains.Who/why chose/choose the colours. regds MEL
44 Post contains images JeffM : A sailor loves to see a RED LIGHT in port. ...and will always give a GREEN LIGHT to let a STARonBOARD....
45 RC135U : [quote=Bhill,reply=21]The Vikings called the side of their ship its board, and they placed the steering oar, the "star" on the right side of the ship
46 HAWK21M : Interesting.Whats the history about the word "PORT". regds MEL
47 RC135U : That's a bit more obscure. The opposite of starboard is larboard which derives from "ladde" and "bord", ladde being the past participle of the verb t
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