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737's With F/O's Nose Wheel Tiller  
User currently offlineXms3200 From Sweden, joined Apr 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10347 times:
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Any idea if Boeing built any model of 737's with a F/O nose wheel steering tiller.

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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14127 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10345 times:

Not that I know of. AFAIK, there is no option for it and a modification would not be easy. The standard version doesn't have any points where you can attach an additional steering mechanism.

Jan


User currently offlineWILCO737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9097 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10288 times:
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Hi guys,

I agree with MD11Engineer, never heard of a 737 with a steering wheel on my FO side... Sometimes it would helpful though... But I cannot taxi from my side...

WILCO737
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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10285 times:


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Jan is correct.I've never heard of a B737 with the F/O tiller,considering the cable Routing it would take some work & added components.
Unless a indirect drive between the Two tillers was present.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineXms3200 From Sweden, joined Apr 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10220 times:
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Hawk21M, if you look at the Southwest Pic you posted, on the F/O's side, it looks like there is a blanking plate for the optional F/O's tiller. Also, I have seen a few Boeing schematics with a listed "Optional" tiller.

User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10198 times:

I remember Rick767 saying one time that his airline does have them on their 737's? Was a long time ago, but I remember him saying they had that option, IIRC. Wait for him to show up I suppose!

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineDC10GUY From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10169 times:

I wonder if they ever built a 737 with a captains gear handle ???


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10155 times:

So that the FO can reach that one as well as his too?  conehead 

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10140 times:

Quoting Xms3200 (Reply 4):
Hawk21M, if you look at the Southwest Pic you posted, on the F/O's side, it looks like there is a blanking plate for the optional F/O's tiller. Also, I have seen a few Boeing schematics with a listed "Optional" tiller.

Are you referring to B737s.If so How is the Mechanism to the 2nd tiller like.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineBoeingFixer From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10089 times:

Hi Xms3200,

No, the 737 was never built with an F/O NWS tiller. The B707 was the only Boeing commercial jet built with a F/O NWS tiller in any significant numbers. The 727 was also never built with an F/O NWS tiller.



Cheers, John YYC
User currently offlineXms3200 From Sweden, joined Apr 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10085 times:
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BoeingFixer,

Thanks a lot for the reply, that answered my question. By the way, I remember in the mid '80's, seeing a Southern Air 707 with a F/O's NWS tiller. Turns out it was an ex Kuwait Airways bird, 707-369B


User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2571 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10051 times:

Quoting BoeingFixer (Reply 9):
The B707 was the only Boeing commercial jet built with a F/O NWS tiller in any significant numbers.

They built quite a few 747s didn't they. All with F/O tillers AFAIK.

The 757, 767 and 777 also have an F/O tiller although I some airlines might specify it is not installed for operational reasons.



The glass isn't half empty, or half full, it's twice as big as it needs to be.
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10022 times:

Why was the F/O Tiller not considered on the B737 ever.Was the probability of a snag on the Only tiller Available very low to overlook this.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineAbbs380 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10021 times:

Every 747 I have ever seen (thats quite a few) has had a f/o tiller.

User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2571 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9976 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 12):
Why was the F/O Tiller not considered on the B737 ever.Was the probability of a snag on the Only tiller Available very low to overlook this.

737 F/Os are considered by many airlines to be too inexperienced to be trusted with tight turns on the ground, requiring the use of a tiller. (The judgement required to avoid collisions and keep off the grass being what it is.) Consequently F/O tillers weren't normally fitted. Conversely, all A320s (equally junior F/Os) have two tillers.

The chances of a tiller system failure must be remote. There's still the pedal steering and differential power/braking as a back up. You can always stop and wait for a tug  Smile



The glass isn't half empty, or half full, it's twice as big as it needs to be.
User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9965 times:

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 6):
I wonder if they ever built a 737 with a captains gear handle ???



Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 7):
So that the FO can reach that one as well as his too?

The first officer IS the captain's gear handle.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 9936 times:

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 14):
737 F/Os are considered by many airlines to be too inexperienced to be trusted with tight turns on the ground, requiring the use of a tiller.

The F/O tiller need not be used unless authorised by P1.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2571 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9887 times:

But if it's not perceived as a requirement when the aircraft is designed, then the mechanism will not be installed, saving weight.


The glass isn't half empty, or half full, it's twice as big as it needs to be.
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9860 times:

Any Examples of it being Installed at a later date on the B737.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineVain~ From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9839 times:

B737 classic with f/o tiller:


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B737NG with f/o tiller:


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Come on people, just because you've never seen or heard of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist (especially in aviation)
Hell, boeing/airbus would add an extra set of wings as a customer option if you payed for it!

Gr Vain~


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9835 times:

Great pics.Thanks Vain~
Any Idea on the Connectivity of the F/O Tiller.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineXms3200 From Sweden, joined Apr 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9813 times:
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Vain,

You are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely awesome!!!!!!!!!!!! Here I was, listening to every professional contributing to this highly esteemed forum, and.............believing that no 737 ever exists with a .............F/O nose wheel tiller.....and then.......boom..............you appear with pics showing two models of the 737 with the NWS. From what I have seen in my lifetime, the KSSU cockpits from the '80's were always very well equipped, and the pics just posted from Vain, respects the former KSSU group even more.

Thank you very much for your pics Vain, and long live this forum & Airlines.net


User currently offlineEHRD From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9782 times:

Transavia Boeing 737-700

User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3151 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9766 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 15):
The first officer IS the captain's gear handle.

Slam, that just made my day. I can't stop laughing!  Smile



DMI
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9742 times:

Quoting Xms3200 (Reply 21):
long live this forum & Airlines.net

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Never know what you learn each day.
regds
MEL



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25 FlyHoss : That's incorrect. I flew one, as an FO, with a right side tiller. I don't have any photos, but (IIRC) the registration was N86430 (could be wrong on
26 HAWK21M : How was the Cabling routed on the Aircraft with F/O tiller. regds MEL
27 Klaus : Adding to HAWK´s question: Is NWS still done via cable even on the new(er) designs by Boeing and Airbus or are there models with electronic steering
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