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Why The Up-Curve Of Windows On Airbus Widebodies?  
User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4978 times:

I was wondering why there is a curve upwards of the rear windows on Airbus widebodies. At first I thought it was the pictures I was looking at until I saw one myself. If anyone can explain my curiosity would be gratefully sated.


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User currently offlineLiedetectors From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4967 times:

Being from Boeing, I am happy to say that this is due to an Airbus SNAFU (you can also see this on the IL-86). Airbus located the floor too low, so that near the rear of the plane, the underfloor cargo space did not provide enough room for the LD3 cargo containers. Instead of raising the entire floor structure and further reducing the passenger cabin volume, it was decided to simply raise the floor at the rear of the aircraft to allow enough room for the 64-inch tall cargo containers.


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User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1610 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4952 times:
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To add a little more to Liedetectors' answer: Airbus decided to upsweep the rear fuselage, instead of using a conical close out, like on the 757 and 767. This led to the problem that Liedetectors relates. This upwards bend in the floor makes loading main deck cargo on freighters difficult - the rear pallets have to be pushed up the incline.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

Quoting AeroWeanie (Reply 2):
This upwards bend in the floor makes loading main deck cargo on freighters difficult - the rear pallets have to be pushed up the incline.

How steep is the Taper & what would be the Height difference.

This Taper makes the Windows look weird.Is it on all Airbus Widebodies.
Was there an Attempt to raise the floor height later on.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4820 times:

An incidental benefit of this is that the deck is nearly level in flight, back at the aft end of the cabin. Flight attendants start out of there with the cart and soon find themselves pushing it up hill.


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User currently offlineHals From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4745 times:

At normal pitch up during level flight I thought all F/A's had to push the cart "uphill"...whatever a/c they were flying in.

The Airbus taper maybe only makes it look worse...or is it really steeper ? One for the Airbus jockeys to answer methinks  Silly


User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4719 times:

Quoting Liedetectors (Reply 1):
Being from Boeing, I am happy to say that this is due to an Airbus SNAFU (you can also see this on the IL-86). Airbus located the floor too low, so that near the rear of the plane, the underfloor cargo space did not provide enough room for the LD3 cargo containers. Instead of raising the entire floor structure and further reducing the passenger cabin volume, it was decided to simply raise the floor at the rear of the aircraft to allow enough room for the 64-inch tall cargo containers.

Sooo... you are saying that Boeing unnecessarily reduced the passenger cabin volume in the entire cabin, just to be able to fit ULDs in the tail and have a level floor? Smart move! Yeah, they DO seem cramped...  Wink

Tongue-in-cheek, aircraft design is all compromises all the way - and there's rarely a 'right' answer to any given choice.

Cheers,
/Fred



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4705 times:
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I first saw this on an A300, to be honest as a passenger you don't notice it when onboard.


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User currently offlineLiedetectors From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4617 times:

Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
I first saw this on an A300, to be honest as a passenger you don't notice it when onboard

Actually, you kind of do. I sat in the last row of a AA A300 one time and i definetly noticed the floor ramping up at the back. Good thing it didnt cut into the head room tho.



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User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4594 times:

Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
to be honest as a passenger you don't notice it when onboard.

I too have noticed it, but on an EI A330-300. Though, I thought that I would have noticed it more looking at the outside because it looks more of a rise than it really is onboard...  Smile

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User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

I noticed it when I sat in the last seat of AR's 342, IIRC it was 42 F.
It is like in a movie theater, sorta.

Mike



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User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

Quoting Andz (Reply 7):
I first saw this on an A300, to be honest as a passenger you don't notice it when onboard

Yea you do.. I was on an aa a300 and it was very obvious.. i even heard a "its because this is where the tail begins"


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4500 times:

Any cabin pics of this view.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4327 times:


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The ramped section often comes across fairly obviously in cabin shots taken from the rear of the aircraft, although not always:
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I believe the deck angle is only something like 2-3° - less than it usually appears from the outside. Over in the KLM A330 thread in CivAv, I wondered why airlines don't tend to match their cheatlines to the windowline to disguise the rise a little.

Rich


User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4311 times:

Just another couple of photos to illustrate how a sloping rear floor sometimes is, and sometimes isn't, obvious:
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Photo © Joseph K.K. Lee

 Wink


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4216 times:

Quoting RedDragon (Reply 13):
I wondered why airlines don't tend to match their cheatlines to the windowline to disguise the rise a little.

DL did...
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But, to me, it didn't hide it all that well...


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4117 times:
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Guess I was drunk then....lol


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