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What Does ETOPS Mean?  
User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 13573 times:

Sorry for my ignorance (I'm usually a pretty smart guy  Wink ) but what exactly is ETOPS? Everybody keeps refering to the ETOPS 757, and I understand that it has something to do with twin engines (and I assume something about overseas) but somebody please fill in the blanks....

Thanks in advance!

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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25012 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 13560 times:
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User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 13551 times:

Try searching for ETOPS or Extended Twin Engine OPerationS.

Basically, it's a program or certification which the aircraft and the operator must conform to in order to operate a twin engine aircraft over 60 minutes (on one engine) from a suitable airport.


User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 13504 times:

This will probably be deleted, but for Monday humor:  

Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim

  

[Edited 2005-08-30 01:17:06]

User currently offlineN60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 13482 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Thread starter):
but what exactly is ETOPS?

Here is some information that, hopefully, will clarify this topic a little. Hope it helps:

http://www.tutorgig.com/ed/ETOPS

-N60659



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week ago) and read 13417 times:

Thanks All who answered. That helps a lot. Welcome to my RR list.

User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13377 times:

Also, there are different levels of ETOPS - certification has been extended to 120 and 180 minutes.

I believe it was TWA that pioneered ETOPS with 767's translatlantic - am I correct?



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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13364 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Thread starter):
Sorry for my ignorance (I'm usually a pretty smart guy ? ) but what exactly is ETOPS? Everybody keeps refering to the ETOPS 757, and I understand that it has something to do with twin engines (and I assume something about overseas) but somebody please fill in the blanks....

If you send me an email, I will mail you something on ETOPS

mpenguin1@yahoo.com


Mike



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User currently offlineMX757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 628 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13232 times:

I read in a company memo a few months ago that Boeing is working with the FAA and the JAA to implement a "LROPS" program. (Long Range Operations.) This new program would supersede ETOPS. I don't know all the specifics but I know that it would eliminate the 60, 120, and the 180 minute rule for twin engine aircraft. I don't know when it will be certified or if ever.


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User currently offlineCactusTECH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13088 times:

ETOPS now stands for Extended Operation

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 12971 times:

Quoting MX757 (Reply 8):
I don't know all the specifics but I know that it would eliminate the 60, 120, and the 180 minute rule for twin engine aircraft.

AFAIK, this isn't what LROPS is about. ETOPS will still apply to twins. LROPS covers more engined aircraft. Under ETOPS regulations, there are requirements for fire suppression equipment and other things that just make sense for long haul travel in general. They are not a requirement for more engined aircraft so LROPS will make them that. Basically, LROPS takes the parts of ETOPS that aren't specifically related to the powerplants and applies them to other aircraft.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17002 posts, RR: 67
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12924 times:

Quoting Air2gxs (Reply 2):
Try searching for ETOPS or Extended Twin Engine OPerationS.



Quoting CactusTECH (Reply 9):
ETOPS now stands for Extended Operation

It actually stands for "Extended-range Twin-Engine Operation Performance Standards".

This should cover it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS



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User currently offlineMrocktor From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1668 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12916 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 11):
It actually stands for "Extended-range Twin-Engine Operation Performance Standards".

He was talking about this, most likely:

DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
Federal Aviation Administration
14 CFR Parts 1, 21, 25, 33, 121, 135
[Docket No. FAA-2002-6717; Notice No. 03-11]
RIN 2120-AI03

Extended Operations (ETOPS) of Multi-engine Airplanes

AGENCY: Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), DOT.
ACTION: Notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM).

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

SUMMARY: The FAA proposes to issue regulations governing the design,
maintenance, and operation of airplanes and engines for flights that go
beyond certain distances from an adequate airport. This proposal would
extend some requirements that previously applied only to two-engine
airplanes to airplanes with more than two-engines. The proposed rule
implements existing policy, industry best practices and
recommendations, and international standards to ensure that long-range
flights will operate safely.


mrocktor


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17002 posts, RR: 67
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12911 times:

Quoting Mrocktor (Reply 12):

I see your point. But it's somewhat ambiguous if they are rewriting the meaning of the acronym or not.



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 12905 times:

If you did not get it till now, search for ETOPS and you will find many older threads about it.

Kind Regards Philipp


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12843 times:

Extended-range Twin-engine Operation Performance Standards Or Extended Twin Engine OPerationS.

Link1

Link2

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineMrocktor From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1668 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12789 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 13):
ut it's somewhat ambiguous if they are rewriting the meaning of the acronym or not.

True.

I also doubt they would rewrite the meaning of the acronym letter for letter, however if ETOPS is in fact expanded as indicated above, the meaning of the original acronym becomes less important than the current version (and applicability) of the standards.

I guess we will have to answer this question in two parts: the acronym means XXX, however the rules apply to all multi-engine planes since YYY.

mrocktor


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