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Why No LD2 For Acft Beside 767?  
User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4722 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4412 times:

The topic says it all...
Why aren´t LD2 containers used on other aircraft than B767? I mean the 67 can take LD3s, but just not side-by-side. The LD3 is just a bit narrower and should fit in other aircraft as the contours are the same and I guess also the attachment to the floor. Especially for airlines with mixed fleets of 767 and other widebodies this should ease cargo transfer a lot as there is no more need for the cargo to be repacked (very few airlines actually use the LD3s on the 767). Any thoughts?


Exceptions confirm the rule.
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User currently offline744rules From Belgium, joined Mar 2002, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4400 times:

ld2 can be loaded on other a/c, but a few rules apply.
They must be loaded with the "nose" facing the centerline and they need to be loaded in conjunction with other containers. 2 ld2 will be loaded "nose" to "nose" and 1 ld2 with 1 ld3 will be loaded "nose" against flat side. Additional loading requirements/restrictions might apply, depending on a/c and/or operator.


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4372 times:

I've loaded LD2's onto a 777 before...DL does it domestically alot.

I've also had loads on a 767 where I've had to put all 3...LD2's, with an LD3 mixed in (takes up two whole frames), and then an LD-3 (also takes up two frames)...this was when we were seriously out of cans and had to use whatever was handy.

Those LD8's sure are fun to try to spin on a K-loader!

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4300 times:


LD2

LD3
Just so People can see the Comparative difference between the Two Containers visually.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

Quoting 744rules (Reply 1):
They must be loaded with the "nose" facing the centerline and they need to be loaded in conjunction with other containers. 2 ld2 will be loaded "nose" to "nose" and 1 ld2 with 1 ld3 will be loaded "nose" against flat side.

I assume that this is to prevent loading the two containers nose-out against the hold contours, and thus leaving a gap in the middle - would this be a Bad Thing? Are the containers just packed in tight together, rather than being individually secured?

Rich


User currently offline744rules From Belgium, joined Mar 2002, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

The ld2 containers must be loaded nose to nose for some reasons : the ground surface of an ld2 is smaller, and by loading them nose to nose, they will fit just between the outer rails (same as to accomodate two ld3 - flat side to flat side). This way there still is some upward restraint. Also note that a fully loaded ld2 has the tendence to fall over, due to the reduced groundsurface.

Hope this explanation can shed some light. A few drawings/pictures would show it much better, but as security is getting paranoia, walking around with a camera on the ramp is not good idea.


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

Quoting 744rules (Reply 5):
but as security is getting paranoia, walking around with a camera on the ramp is not good idea.

Psssh...I do it all the time, and noone questions me about it. All you need is a Sida badge and a smile. I'll see what I can dig up.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

Slightly off topic here, but how many LD-2s can a 762 and a 763 carry in their bellies? Also, if I understand this right, 2 LD-2s can be loaded side by side on the 767, but not an LD-2 and a LD-3?...with the fact the 767 is the narrowest of the widebodies. Regards.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 6):
a Sida badge

Whats a Sida Badge.

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 7):

B763
B762
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3673 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3938 times:
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Whats a Sida Badge.

SIDA=Secured Identification Display Area. It's your ID issued by the airport authority that allows you to go into the areas past security. You also have the AOA (Airport Operation Area), which usually refers to the areas outside of the terminal. The terms SIDA and AOA can be interchangeable. We at HNL refer to the SIDA as the AOA and our badges as AOA badges.


User currently offlineMikeclod From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

Reddragon:
I can't say for sure about airlines, but for FedEx all containers are secured individually.


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Photo © Bruce Leibowitz



In this picture you can see the "load locks" on the floor. There are several different types of locks, but they generally are lifted up and over ULD base rails, with an extending flap that the next ULD can slide under and be secured. The locks on the side rails of the aircraft are usually spring loaded "flippers", or hard mounted flaps that also have to be positioned on top of the ULD base plate.

Hope this helps, mike


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 9):
The terms SIDA and AOA can be interchangeable

Out here we call them Airport PIC [Photo Identity Card].Various colours at Border.
White = Temporary
Green = Terminal Building Access only.
Blue = Terminal Building + Operational Area.
Orange = Terminal Building,Operational Area,Security zone.
Also on PIC indicates Airport of Validity or All Airports validity depending on Job profile.

Quoting Mikeclod (Reply 10):
load locks

Reffered to as Pallet Locks.

Quoting Mikeclod (Reply 10):
The locks on the side rails

Present near the Main Deck Door Opening area.

If one notices the Pic above,The Flooring near the Main deck dor area has Ball Transfer units instead of rollers,as it a manuvering area,to enable straightening of Pallets if needed.

regds
MEL



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