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Kingfisher Airlines - CoPilot Job Requirements  
User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 12410 times:

Good day,

I’m currently working toward my CPL and as one would imagine, I’m starting to look for job opportunities, not only in Canada, but around the world. Through this site, business articles, etc. I realized that India has a booming aviation industry, so I browsed Kingfisher Airlines’ website.

http://www.flykingfisher.com/


Looking at their “Careers” page, I clicked to see the requirements for Co-pilot

http://www.flykingfisher.com/Careers.htm

http://www.flykingfisher.com/newco-pilots.htm

I was pretty surprised to see the requirements. I have the impression that they don’t require that many hours for an entry-level position, but I may be wrong.

“Careers
Co-Pilots:

Current medical, CPL, FRTO, COP/RTR, IR on multi-engine and minimum of 25 hrs on multi-engine aircraft (10 hrs could be completed on an approved multi-engine simulator).

Eligible candidates will be called for written test followed by an interview.”

There are some things I don’t understand:
1. Does FRTO stand for Flight Radio Telephone Operator Rating?
2. What does COP/RTR stand for?
3. 25 hours multi-engine? That doesn’t seem like a lot of time... What would be the "total hours/PIC total" minimums for this?
4. Can you hold a foreign citizenship and work in India as a pilot? (I have dual Canadian/Romanian)
5. Are Canadian CPL/Multi/IFR rating, etc recognized in India?

Can anyone clarify some of these things for me?

Much appreciated,

Vio


Superior decisions reduce the need for superior skills.
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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 12360 times:

Quoting Vio (Thread starter):
Can you hold a foreign citizenship and work in India as a pilot?

Shouldn't be a problem at all. There are plenty of them working already. Work permit isn't an issue.
rgds
VT-ASJ



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12263 times:

You would get more informed answers on www.pprune.com

User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12246 times:

Quoting PIA747 (Reply 2):
You would get more informed answers on www.pprune.com

is that what you rely on?  Wink



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12194 times:

Checked out with a F/O Friend that flies for Kingfisher.
1. Does FRTO stand for Flight Radio Telephone Operator Rating.
Yes

2. What does COP/RTR stand for.
ministry of communication issues a RT licence & dgca on that issues a Licence.

3. 25 hours multi-engine? That doesn’t seem like a lot of time... What would be the "total hours/PIC total" minimums for this.
Does not include PIC.
There are three categories of F/Os.
Depending on the Hrs of Flying & ALTP.Kingfisher HR dept will guide you on that.

4. Can you hold a foreign citizenship and work in India as a pilot? (I have dual Canadian/Romanian)
Sure.a lot of Expats around since there is a shortage of Pilots.

5. Are Canadian CPL/Multi/IFR rating, etc recognized in India.
Yes.

Check out DGCA Website for Rules. [licencing].

regds
MEL

[Edited 2005-09-10 17:27:29]


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User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 11997 times:

MEL,

Thank you so much. You've been so helpful. I really hope to work in India one day. Both my Finnish girlfriend and I have been dreaming of travelling and working there. (She's a teacher). I would love to work as a pilot there. Is there a big requirement for pilots in India? I don't mean just with Kingfisher, but also with Air India, Indian Airlines, Jet Airways, etc.

Regards,

Vio



Superior decisions reduce the need for superior skills.
User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 11990 times:

It takes guts to be a pilot out in areas that have a big monsoon season

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11878 times:

Quoting Vio (Reply 5):
Is there a big requirement for pilots in India

Yes.Currently there is a Big demand.

Quoting B744F (Reply 6):
It takes guts to be a pilot out in areas that have a big monsoon season

Especially Night Flying  Smile
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineVio From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1364 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11807 times:

Quote:
It takes guts to be a pilot out in areas that have a big monsoon season

... Guts I have... it's experience and skill that I lack. I'm still a "low time" pilot. With time, lots of practice and hard work, I will get better.



Superior decisions reduce the need for superior skills.
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 11787 times:

Quoting Vio (Reply 8):

If you need I can PM you the Email address of my friend whose is a F/O at Kingfisher.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineArcticTern From India, joined Dec 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10780 times:

Dear Vio,

Some answers to your questions.

1. Does FRTO stand for Flight Radio Telephone Operator Rating?
- There are 2 FRTO licence, the first one is FRTO(R) R - Restricted and FRTOL, the COPC RTR is a tough licence to clear and because of that the FRTO(R) was introduced, which limits the use of radio on board an Aircraft, after you clear the COPC RTR(Aero) you will have to submit the required documents and then get an FRTOL by DGCA

2. What does COP/RTR stand for?
- COP/RTR stands for Certifcate of proficiency in Radio telephony restricted, its a licence issued by Wireless Planning and Coordination wing (WPC) which is under Department of Telecommunication

3. 25 hours multi-engine? That doesn’t seem like a lot of time... What would be the "total hours/PIC total" minimums for this?
- As far as Multi is concerned I for sure know you need 25 hours as a P2 and this can be done on a simulator which means 15 hours of flying on an Aircraft recognised by DGCA and 10 hours on an approved simulator

4. Can you hold a foreign citizenship and work in India as a pilot? (I have dual Canadian/Romanian)
- Definitely you can!

5. Are Canadian CPL/Multi/IFR rating, etc recognized in India?
- They are regonised and i am not sure if you need to pass any conversion papers, what the indian students do is, they go to Canada or any other place get a foreign licence and when they are back they write the conversion papers ( 2 papers Composite and Air regulations, the composite includes ( Air NAV, MET and Flight planning) and then they convert the licence to an Indian CPL.

Hope this helps, I would suggest you get in touch with few foreign pilots who are in great demand in India. I don't know any though! See if your Canadian R/T licence and CPL licence needs a conversion here.

Regards,
Sushant Laxman



I wanted to fly even before I knew how to pronounce the word 'Pilot'
User currently offlineArcticTern From India, joined Dec 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10776 times:

Quote:
If you need I can PM you the Email address of my friend whose is a F/O at Kingfisher.
regds
MEL

Well i wouldnt mind getting his email id, i had a few questions to ask, maybe he could help.

Thanks MEL,

Regards,
Sushant



I wanted to fly even before I knew how to pronounce the word 'Pilot'
User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1393 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10754 times:

Foreign nationals cannot work as F/Os. They can only fly as captains. Only Indian nationals can fly as F/Os. I am sorry, but you won't be able to work in India as a new/fresh pilot. The pilot should have had atleast 500hrs as Pilot-in-Command to be able to work as captain on the flights.

[Edited 2006-03-11 19:08:53]

User currently offlineYikes! From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10733 times:

As far as I know as a contract captain in India, Birsea is correct. If one wants to be a first officer for an Indian operator, one must first emigrate to India and then pass the DGCA hurdles.

And hurdles they are.

No commercial flight can be operated with a VT- registered aircraft without at least one Indian national onboard as an operating flight crew member. As an experienced captain, one must obtain an E-Visa with an Indian airline/operator sponsoring the application. Once that happens, the other fun and games begin...

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 12):


[Edited 2006-03-11 20:45:23]

User currently offline707437 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10682 times:

What about a PIO, person of Indian origin who is a citizen of another country?

Is that enough to satisfy the requirement for an F/O ride?


User currently offlineYikes! From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10661 times:

Good question. I'm afraid I don't know. How about trying the Contact Us link at the Directorate General Civil Aviation in New Delhi:

http://dgca.nic.in/


User currently offlineIndianFlyboy From India, joined Sep 2003, 294 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10494 times:

Just a quick add , glad to be back after a looong time, it might actually help if you have a type rating on a 320 or a 737 NG. Like Arctic tern suggested , as an entry level pilot you will have to pass conversion examinations , however new guidelines for pilots holding type ratings on specific aircraft types are different. As long as the CPL was issued by a ICAO member state for pilots holding type ratings , the conversion exams have been waived for the time being to fill up the shortfall.

Regards


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 10165 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 1):
Shouldn't be a problem at all. There are plenty of them working already. Work permit isn't an issue.



Quoting Blrsea (Reply 12):
Foreign nationals cannot work as F/Os. They can only fly as captains. Only Indian nationals can fly as F/Os. I am sorry, but you won't be able to work in India as a new/fresh pilot. The pilot should have had atleast 500hrs as Pilot-in-Command to be able to work as captain on the flights.

A320s & B737NGs are currently flooding the Indian skies.The Emb170 & 145s are making an appearence too.

Even for the Expats Commanders [P1].Within 3 months they have to satisfy DGCA officials on Indian regulatory requirements if they want to contnue working.Currently Pilots are joining from Brazil & Phillipines.

regds
MEL



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