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Destiny For DC-10/L-1011  
User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 748 posts, RR: 1
Posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

Is it just me, or did the DC-10 out-last the L-1011? TWA, along with Cathay Pacific, Air Canada, and many other smaller carriers have already retired their L-1011 fleet, while United, Northwest, American, etc... still operate large fleets of DC-10s. I know Northwest has some pretty old ones that still fly the longer routes (SEA-KIX, AMS-SEA). Does NWA, UA, or AA have any plans to retire their aging DC-10s in the near future? I never cared for the L-1011; its the ugliest thing I have ever seen. I know some people out there would like to sleep with it if they could. It's kind of a love or hate thing.

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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

United and American are both in the process of retiring their -10's. Between the 2 airlines there are about 25 left. Most of which are destined for Fedex and the MD-10 treatment. Northwest plans on keeping its -10's... they still have around 50. Though UA also has 4 DC-10-30CF's that operate in the United Worldwide Cargo livery which should still be hauling cargo for sometime.


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User currently offlineIahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3434 posts, RR: 41
Reply 2, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1757 times:
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CO still has 27-28 DC-10-30's in service. 11 of these should be retired by year's end. I would think some of them will find a new life in the cargo biz.


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User currently offlineCopper1 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1711 times:

I hope both types soldier on for many years to come. I love the look and the sound of both of the big " three holers " . To me they are both from the golden era of passenger jet aircraft. The designers thought outside the box on both. Today's designs, while efficient, lack creative flare. The natural consequence I suppose of having only two major builders who see a need to go head to head in every category.

Sad when you think about it.

Copper1


User currently offlineMeyrowings From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

In General, the DC-10 sold better than the L-1011, so there are more "out there".

I´ve been to FRA quite often recently. There is a regular flight on a 1011 (Think it´s cargo or charter). The -10´s seem to be used as "Backup" more oftenly, when there´s no MD-11, 777, 767-ER or Airbus 330/340 available (Suggestion)?

The main disadvantages of the 1011 were - as You should know - the delay on RB-211 introduction and the quick MDD Follow-Ups with 3rd main gear and higher weight=fuel capacity=range. The 1011-500 was shortened for longer range to decrease weight instead of strengthened parts for higher weight.

Assumption: Keep a DC-10 as "general-purpose-backup".



User currently offlineSKYTEAM From France, joined Nov 2009, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

The L-1011 isnt ugly!!!!! Iis is the best aircraft ever built. Although the DC-10 outsold the L-1011, The L-1011 was a more advanced aircraft!!!

User currently offlineRichie From Switzerland, joined Dec 1999, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

Skyteam

yes, maybe, but that does not count in the real world. The DC10 was more economical, and that's the only thing airlines care.


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10735 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

The DC-10 seems to pe a perfect aircraft for freight-transport. That Fedex converts a lot to MD-10s makes it sure that you can expect a lot of them still flying well into the next decade. Though there´s no widebody with a higher accident rate, the DC-10 seems to be a very robust type in the long term.
The L-1011 will be gone forever soon. There´s only one major airline using them still - Delta - and they will get rid of them by 2003.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

To Mason: It is of course a matter of taste. I don't like the 1011 either (not as an aircraft but to look at it) because it looks so unnaturaly heavy at the rear.
I think both planes were very economical at their time. Swissair for example loved the DC 10 very much, it was a cash cow. They only got ride of them because they always want to have young fleet. The same is happening with the MD 11 in the next years  


User currently offlineChucknsteph From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Well, both aircraft are getting rather old. While only around 250 or so 1011's were built, they hung around despite that. My point to that is, parts. An airline doesnt like the feeling of running short of parts. The 1011 and -10 were very competitive in their time. The downfall to the 1011 I beleive is that they only contracted to one engine manufacturer; RollRoyce, which was and still is an excellent motor, but Lockheed should have opened the doors. They forgot that they were building the plane for airplane operators in stead of engine manufactures. I personally favor the good ol' 1011 over the -10. But I still will never turn down the -10 workhoarse. Both aircraft paved the way for medium/long range wide bodies and engine performance/economics.
Chuck


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