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How Many Speeding Tickets Can A Pilot Have?  
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12711 times:

Alright, I officially earned my third ticket today (all within 1 year, no less). Speeding, 74 in a 65. Last two were careless driving and speeding as well.

So I've heard that one can only have 3 tickets in his/her lifetime in order to not be disquallified for airline service. What's the gouge on this?

Not too too worried for now, going to go to court and see if I can argue it out, or pray that the trooper simply doesn't show up. If it does stay on my record, then I'll have to really behave myself.

Thanks  Smile
DeltaGuy

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User currently offlineCaboclo From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12691 times:

Depends on the airline, but I would be surprised if someone like Atlas or Arrow would Not hire you for 3 tix. Just have a good answer ready for your interview. And go to traffic school and keep it off your record, if that's an option.


Freight dogs have more fun
User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12666 times:

You'd think cargo companies would want to hire speeders!

User currently offlineWoodreau From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1041 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12633 times:

I think they're looking for trends, so the 3 within one year may be disturbing... just stay clean from now on... I got hired with 4 tickets, (but it was 8 years since my last ticket when I got hired.) I have a total of 5 now.

2 - both for speeding in 1992
1 - for running a red light riding my mountain bike in 1996
1 - for speeding in Japan in 1997
1 - for rear ending someone while I was in ground school in 2005.

Even if you have a ticket dropped, they want you to disclose every ticket you received regardless of the outcome. If something shows on a background check and you didn't self-disclose in advance, they may not hire you.



Bonus animus sit, ab experientia. Quod salvatum fuerit de malis usu venit judicium.
User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3044 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12596 times:

I do not know where you got your ticket but in Oklahoma tickets for less than 10mph over the speed limit do not show on your driving record. Might be worth a look see if that is true of the state in which you received your ticket.
Other alternatives here include driver safety course, at your expense of course, to expunge your ticket. With your career at hand it might be worth investing in the use of a lawyer.

Okie


User currently offlineBWI757 From Israel, joined Dec 2004, 429 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12573 times:

When I saw the topic header I thought you meant exceeding any speed limits set by ATC.... Smile

BWI757



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12574 times:

I suppose I can chalk it up to being a college kid with a sportscar. Here in FL, all tickets will show unless you attend traffic school, or win the hearing in court. You can only attend traffic school once a callendar year, and I already did my one for this 365  Sad.

Talked to my roomie (OttoPylot here on a.net), he told me I can go to court and plead "no contest", have the points and the ticket removed from my license, and just pay court costs (usually about the price of the ticket...all they want is the money really). So I may be off the hook, but may still have to report these.

woodreau, you bring up a good point- I guess that means every ticket. The list will be long, but distinguished  Wink

My dad had 4 I think when he wen to DL, had to list every single one of them on his paperwork. I suppose my lead foot will have to be lightened a bit  hissyfit 

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12522 times:

You're a habitual speeder....soon enough you'll get caught doing .83 mach in a .80 zone.

User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 3150 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12432 times:

Simple solution to this one DeltaGuy. SLOW DOWN!!!

This is one of the reason I bought my jeep, it can't go fast  Smile



DMI
User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12378 times:

74 in a 65! That is rubish. I hate that. only 9mph over the speed limit on the highway. Was traffic going that fast also. I hate some cops. Like on the Florida Turnpike while goin 90mph in a 70mph but it is 1am why should I have to go 70mph when there is not even anyone else on the road.
Anyway yea if you already have 3 tickets just slow down and get your self a good radar detector.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineNASOCEANA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12363 times:

Quoting Woodreau (Reply 3):
1 - for running a red light riding my mountain bike in 1996

 rotfl   rotfl 



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User currently offlineDAL7e7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12238 times:

Quoting BWI757 (Reply 5):
When I saw the topic header I thought you meant exceeding any speed limits set by ATC....

Me too...but seriously what does happen? Do you get a speeding "ticket" or do they just revoke your license?

Quoting DeltaGuy (Thread starter):
Speeding, 74 in a 65.

I hardly consider that speeding. You are supposed to be allowed 10 MPH over the limit right?

DAL7e7



DAL7e7 is wondering... Do pilots take crash courses?
User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12232 times:

Quoting DAL7e7 (Reply 11):
You are supposed to be allowed 10 MPH over the limit right?

No, as a general rule though, most cops give a 9 mph leeway. But technically they can give you a ticket for going 1 mph over the limit


User currently offlineA330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12224 times:

My Airline pays back all speeding tickets if I got them while trying to get to the Airport in time for an unscheduled flight!!


Shiek!
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12220 times:
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Quoting A330 (Reply 13):
My Airline pays back all speeding tickets if I got them while trying to get to the Airport in time for an unscheduled flight!!



Are you serious? If so, I think I may apply solely for the speeding benefits.  biggrin 




2H4





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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12122 times:

Is this serious.Is it applicable to all countries.Whats the Logic.
Glad Im in Mx.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineCaptOveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12117 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 15):
Whats the Logic.

Not responsible enough to follow the posted speed limit = Not responsible enough to handle a machine that costs several million dollars and holds a few hundred people.


User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2108 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11901 times:

Quoting B744F (Reply 12):
But technically they can give you a ticket for going 1 mph over the limit

In Florida a cop CANNOT give you a ticket for 5mph over the limit or less. He can write you a warning, but not a citation.



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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11848 times:

I read the header of this topic and thought it was a funny one, as I assumed it was speeding during taxi with an aircraft.

Does this topic really belong here!?

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11353 times:

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 17):
In Florida a cop CANNOT give you a ticket for 5mph over the limit or less. He can write you a warning, but not a citation.

What is the state law or regulation that stipulates that? Speeding is a strict liability offense in which any defense would have to override prima facie evidence to the contrary. Here in Arizona you can only take traffic survival school once every two years if your case is eligible for it. To qualify for traffic survival school the offense must be a moving violation that can result in points being assessed against the driver's license, not have resulted in a wreck/accident and/or be a criminal complaint (ie. reckless endangerment, attempting to elude a law enforcement vehicle, etc.).



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User currently offlineSATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11238 times:

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 9):
I hate some cops. Like on the Florida Turnpike while goin 90mph in a 70mph but it is 1am why should I have to go 70mph when there is not even anyone else on the road.

It doesn't sound as though you really have any beef with the cops. Rather, it sounds like what you actually hate are the speed limits.

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 9):
Anyway yea if you already have 3 tickets just slow down and get your self a good radar detector.

Talk about contradictory advice.

Quoting DAL7e7 (Reply 11):
You are supposed to be allowed 10 MPH over the limit right?

Based on what?

Quoting B744F (Reply 12):
But technically they can give you a ticket for going 1 mph over the limit

If you're going to get 'technical' then you might as well take it all the way. A police officer can give you a speeding ticket for traveling 10MPH under the speed limit if he or she deems that speed to be unsafe under current conditions of the road surface. At least, that's the way it works in TX.

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 17):
In Florida a cop CANNOT give you a ticket for 5mph over the limit or less. He can write you a warning, but not a citation.



Quoting 57AZ (Reply 19):
What is the state law or regulation that stipulates that?

No kidding. Talk is cheap, and typing is even cheaper. You need to backup comments like that with hard facts and links Mr. Blue.



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User currently offlineBri2k1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 988 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11226 times:

I think more important here, and so far completely missed except by CaptOveur, is the responsibility issue.

If you're willing to break seemingly petty laws just because you don't understand their importance or simply don't agree with them, should you really be piloting an aircraft? My vote is for no.

According to the FAR, pilot certificates will only be revoked or denied to applicants for motor vehicle offenses involving drugs or alcohol, especially class II or III certificates (for part 121 or part 135 operations). Still, it could be very difficult to find a job with a lengthy driving violation record. I think the best advice you could take is to obey the law!



Position and hold
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11199 times:

Quoting Bri2k1 (Reply 21):
I think the best advice you could take is to obey the law!

Bottom line.....Rules are there for a reson.Follow them.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11147 times:

ahhh. that's why a love german autobahns... at least in my area you can drive whatever you want. As long as the traffic allows it.#

Regards
jush



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4521 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11105 times:

Don't understand your concern, the only traffic offense that has to be reported to the feds would be a DUI.

Unless your talking about a FUTURE potential employer asking these questions on an application, the fed's don't care.

I have a heavy right foot and enjoy my speed, which is a bit of a challenge in the land of fast walkers and slow drivers, but I use a Valentine one radar detector and have an attorney I send all my tickets to.

Have been using him for over three years and he has never failed to get the ticket dismissed with NO POINTS, definetly worth his $100 fee!



The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
25 777WT : While that may sound nice, but it won't take care of the driving record marred by the tickets, no matter who pays for it. For me, I prefer to fight t
26 HAWK21M : How would that help.Maybe help in avoiding the Tickets would be useful. Personally I believe Rules are for a reason so need to be followed. regds MEL
27 Xnv : It may also be a matter of insurance. As a private pilot my insurance company asks me a number of questions every year when I renew including if I hav
28 Schooner : Balls. If every pilot that speeded was prevented from flying there would be nobody left to fly the aircraft! Ok, a bit of an overeaction there but my
29 2H4 : Around here, police officers are the worst. Even on duty, they typically drive in excess of 20 mph over the limit, without their lights or siren on.
30 HAWK21M : Is there any Link to the Speeding ticket restriction. regds MEL
31 CaptOveur : I am not denying that.. I am saying if you get 5 in a year or something it may be a sign of another problem... specifically not being able to follow
32 Schooner : Ok, fair point! Cheers.
33 DeltaGuy : Alright, so I realize I've created an off-topic monster on the techops forum, but it's somewhat relevant, right? So I booked a court date to have a he
34 SuperD : What I was told when I was applying to regional airlines is that one speeding ticket won't hurt you. If you have more than one ticket currently on you
35 TheSonntag : Is there a limit in the US on how many speed tickets you are allowed to have? If you are too fast by less than 10km/h (= 7mph), you can get an infinit
36 57AZ : Depends on the particular offense and whether points are assessed. That varies from state to state. One example of a law that varies from state to sta
37 Jetmatt777 : me too NY-Speeding tickets? All the pictures I see are of thousands of Yellow Cabs not moving anywhere
38 777WT : All traffic tickets that is.
39 Bond007 : Are you serious? What about do 5mph and the child has a 99% chance of living? That's OK then???? The 1%??? No, it's all careless and it's all speedin
40 777WT : Yes, every state has different rules; For NY if you receive 11 points or more in 18 months, the Department of Motor Vehicles suspends your license. a
41 57AZ : You all are lucky there. Violations in Arizona stay on your record for five years. Of course, some violations such as DUI or Aggressive Driving never
42 TheSonntag : Ok, thank you. This sounds almost exactly like the German system. I am always astonished that the US do not have a federal system in regards of drive
43 Schooner : Ok, lets ban cars and walk everywhere! I dont quite follow your argument there. What I was trying to illustrate was that sometimes we do speed but it
44 777WT : Any alcohol or drug related conviction resulting from the use of a motor vehicle can stay on record for 10 years in NY.
45 TheSonntag : One more question about the US law: If I drive 150mph in Arizona while I have a license from NYC, can I lose it? Am I allowed to drive with a drivers
46 Bond007 : I wonder how many people in wrecks said that? It's like the people who drink and drive but are much more 'careful' because they know they are impaire
47 777WT : There's no NYC license, it goes by state. So it just NY State License. Doing 150mph and getting caught will get you put in jail for endangering yours
48 ATCT : If you have a ticket over $200 its a flag for the FAA. If you go to fly for them, or be a controller (in my case), the ticket sets off a flag during y
49 TheSonntag : Ok, that would not really help here. Last week I read about a guy who was stopped at the Autobahn driving 250km/h (160 or so mph if I remember correc
50 57AZ : Do that and keeping your license will be the least of your worries. Plenty of charges that they can and will stick you with, including manslaughter i
51 Post contains images TheSonntag : Ok, this convinced me of driving slower
52 KaiTakFan : Speeding tickets are one thing when it comes to getting a job, a trend of speeding tickets is another. You should be concerned about the amount you ha
53 TheSonntag : How does the guy know that you have Speeding Tickets? In Germany, they usually only get to know the police record (so called Führungszeugnis), which
54 SuperD : You're right, it's not on our criminal records here either, as far as I know. However, we're asked to either provide our driving record or authorize
55 TheSonntag : Ok, thats nothing which is different here. Usually you are asked whether you have a driving license, as well, and if you have lost it, this is not rea
56 KaiTakFan : I see what your saying Thesonntag. And while I agree that speeding tickets may not be a serious offense in Germany or in the USA, the fact of the matt
57 TheSonntag : I couldn't agree with you more. There are certain things which are taken seriously in every society, and everybody knows about that, so you can only
58 CaptOveur : I am just trying to help here. I think in US English the closest term would be Misdemeanor. It's sort of the no big deal offenses, some of which can r
59 SuperD : It's a career-killer here, too. If you're busted for driving drunk in the US, you can kiss a career in aviation good-bye.
60 TheSonntag : Certainly, but its the amount. In Germany, 1,3 %o is a criminal offense, its illegal already after 0.5 %o, something which is pretty much the same al
61 SuperD : In most states in the US, it's a crime to drive with more than a 0.08% BAC. The laws do vary from state to state. In New York, if you drive with a BA
62 Post contains images Wingscrubber : I'm rather lucky - have been pulled twice just this week for stupid driving, once for overtaking rather hurriedly on a twisty road and once for doing
63 777WT : Repost error, deleted.[Edited 2005-10-26 16:16:52]
64 777WT : Here's what the NY DMV says about your driving record, look at the last paragraph which most employers ask for and this is the NY DMV response:
65 57AZ : 0.08 BAC is the law in all 50 states. Here in Arizona, 0.08-0.149 BAC will get you a DUI. Anything greater than 0.15 BAC will get you an Extreme DUI.
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