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AA MD80 Fuselage Strobes  
User currently offlineUpsmd11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 815 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3362 times:
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The other night I was taxiing in a US A319 at BOS and noticed an AA MD80 arriving at a gate. I noticed the red indicator lights on the top and bottom of the MD80 were flashing in unison. This is something that I have only seen 737NG, 757, 767, 777 and newer Airbii do. Did the AA maintenance staff do something to change this or was I seeing an anomaly?

Thanks,
John

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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3336 times:

Strobe power supplies have anywhere from 1 to 6 output jacks. Simultanous or alternating flashes are achieved by simply moving an output cable from one jack to another.

Similar strobe power supplies are used on emergency and maintenance vehicles.



Mark


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3291 times:

Quoting Upsmd11 (Thread starter):
I noticed the red indicator lights on the top and bottom of the MD80 were flashing in unison.

I guess You are reffering to the Anticollosion lights on the top & Bottom Fuselage.The Strobe lights are the White Flashing lights at the Wingtips & Tail cone.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 1):
Simultanous or alternating flashes are achieved by simply moving an output cable from one jack to another.

Any Pics.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineCdfMxTech From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1341 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3286 times:

i believe simultaneous strobes are merely coincidence on those boeing airplanes u mentioned. some planes like the dc10 had a sync circuit to make sure the flash in unison.

User currently offlineUpsmd11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 815 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3275 times:
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Yes I am referring to the anti-collision lights. I notice the small things like that and this MD80 of AA never did falter from being in sync. I'm just wondering if some new circuitry could have been put in to make it do this?

John


User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
I guess You are reffering to the Anticollosion lights on the top & Bottom Fuselage.The Strobe lights are the White Flashing lights at the Wingtips & Tail cone.

The "anti-collision lights" in the MD80s case happen to be strobes. LEDs are coming to an aircraft near you soon as well.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3208 times:

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 5):
The "anti-collision lights" in the MD80s case happen to be strobes

The reference is Anticollosion lights.Strobe lights are a Different location.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
The Strobe lights are the White Flashing lights at the Wingtips & Tail cone.

Many anticollision beacons ARE strobes. Some are LED. Not all are rotating or oscillating beacons.

Strobe:


LED:


I've seen the LED beacons in use. They are so much brighter than any other beacon. Their flash patterns are very unique and distinctive.

Some white wingtip lights are oscillating "beacons." They contain a light bulb with a filament and a reflector that "wobbles" back and forth. That's in addition to the typical red and green nav lights. I've seen them on a few 727-100's and some NW DC-9's.

Mark

[Edited 2005-10-13 01:57:55]

User currently offlineCdfMxTech From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1341 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

To answer the posters question, while I can't speak for EVERY MD-80, the ones I worked on didn't have any synchronizing circuit. One CB powers both Upper and Lower Anticollision lights. The power should energize both lights simultaneously and if the respective assemblies are working correctly, then they will flash in unison. But if one of the assemblies' timing circuit is off a bit, then u might get stagger btwn lights.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3098 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 7):

Agreed Mark.....
I was refering to the Terminology to name the Light based on the location/purpose & not the operating principle.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1027 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

I have been working for AA maint now for 6 years and have aways seen the Anticollision lights flashing together. Now if the wing anticollison lights are flashing on the ground at the gate you have a problem since these work
throught the air/ground relays. And the MD-80s do not have strobes on the tail.

David



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2990 times:

What's really fun about the upper strobe on the MD-80 is when you have to change one. Unlike Boeing aircraft where you can change the strobe from inside the cabin on the MD-80 you have to do it from the outside. Which means getting a boom lift and crawling out onto the fuselage.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 11):
Which means getting a boom lift and crawling out onto the fuselage.

Given the option it would be easier from the Outside,considering the Access.Only dont slide off the Fuselage  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineElectech6299 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

Quoting CdfMxTech (Reply 3):
i believe simultaneous strobes are merely coincidence on those boeing airplanes u mentioned. some planes like the dc10 had a sync circuit to make sure the flash in unison.

Yes, the old sync circuits....I never saw a DC-10 unplugged, but I can just imagine as many a lighting system used them. The number of steps to follow in stepping up the power for the light and down for the control circuit was mind-boggling. Too many moving parts, too...

With the newer LEDs the circuit will have just a low-voltage logic chip to send a low voltage "trigger" signal -- a step up from the logic circuits triggering the high-voltage rapid discharge flash...But neither one should go "out of sync"- timing circuits are inherent. Assuming more than one signal box on a power supply circuit (or even 2 differenct circuits), they might power up slightly off. But they will never flash at a different rate, unless at extremely different temperatures.

Now the old rotating beacons.. Sure, they went out of sync...again, too many moving parts. But they worked good for many years...

And I must say, I got quite a kick out of the variant terminology dialogue... function vs. operation!!!  rotfl  I love seeing the differences in language.

Yeah, Mel, I call the anti-cols beacon's too...I guess that's old mariner's terminology. To me, if it's a navigation warning in a horizontal plane it's a beacon, if it's flashing for some other reason it's (usually) a strobe. I don't try to distinguish by operation, not enough people know the difference between a beacon and a strobe, and if you say LED most people think of a digital clock...But everyone seems to know that the light in a lighthouse is a beacon, and it tells you where (not) to go. But among other elec techs I guess I just say lamp...unless it's an LED.

Peace & Language,
Electech



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