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Unwanted "Guests" On Flight Deck  
User currently offlineGoinv From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 264 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 11755 times:

Hi,

This is not really a technical question - but I'm posting here, rather than on "civil" as I wanted replies/comments from actual pilots and people with real world experience.

My question is simple:-
Do insects (spiders / wasps etc) ever get onto the flight deck? What happens? I can't imagine both captain and first Officer frantically scrambling around with a newspaper trying to swat it - especially during a critical phase like landing.
I would imagine that a wasp on the flight deck could be quite distracting - yet I can't recall any serious incidences happening because of this.

Your views / experiences / comments would be appreciated.


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User currently offlineBri2k1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 988 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11700 times:

I'm guessing they get onto airliners occasionally. Just a week ago I was taxiing my C-172 from the runup area to the hold line, and an enormous moth popped itself onto the windscreen. My flight instructor tried to shoo it out the window (which had been closed per the runup check) but couldn't get a hold of it. Finally, we decided to try to ignore it, but it was very difficult. Just seconds before I got clearance to take off, I managed to grab it with my left hand, open my window with my right, and dump it.


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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11660 times:

The rapidity of air changes on the flight deck would make life difficult for any flying insect. My guess, they either get sucked out or trapped on the grille rather quickly.

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16999 posts, RR: 67
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11646 times:

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 2):
The rapidity of air changes on the flight deck would make life difficult for any flying insect. My guess, they either get sucked out or trapped on the grille rather quickly.

Here's my skydiving experience. At around 2000 feet all no-see-ums ("knott" in Swedish) decide to die. They used to swarm around the cabin and suddenly all drop dead. And what a relief!

EDIT: Off Topic but funny: http://cgibin.rcn.com/fillmore.dnai/...bin/sviewer.pl?selectdate=10/20/05

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11628 times:

Out here.
The Freighters departing BLR have a lot of Mosquitoes at times.So a Mosquito repellant is sprayed regularily.
Its quite an irritant when the Pilots feet are bitten by these creatures in a closed Enclosure at night.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineSuperD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11617 times:

Can't say I've ever had one in a jet. In a small plane, I've had everything from wasps to spiders. The wasp is pretty easy to deal with a light plane - open the window and the difference in air pressure makes it pretty easy to get the bug out of the window. I had a spider drop down right in front of my face on approach once. Considering I'm deathly afraid of spiders that was interesting, but I was able to swat him with an approach chart. My VOR approach into VRB had an extra feature for a few weeks.

One of our FAs likes to put a fake mouse in the cockpit to see if she can get a rise out of the pilots.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11614 times:

There was a story in Vietnam of a Huey that somehow got a cobra under the cargo deck. That space is made up of a box or grid of thin aluminum vertical joists with lightening holes all through, so it would be possible for a snake to get around under there. It could actually crawl out onto the chin bubbles which is supposedly how they found out it was there. Talk about unwanted!

I've had a roadrunner get inside my C-402 on the ramp at YUM. Took a :45 delay trying to coax it out without it - messing up the interior.  Smile

Had a lobster on the floor on a flight in from San Clemente Island, but it was more of a pet. (until dinner time)

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Only problem I ever had with insects: Took off out of a jungle clearing "down south" and just about the time I cleared the treetops, a wasp the size of a mouse crawled up on the glareshield right in front of my face. Did not want to land again and really did not want to get stung. For all I know a tropical wasp that size could knock you unconscious.

I kept climbing. I had the back windows out of the airplane and I climbed up to where it started getting cold. Pretty soon the wasp stopped crawling around and kind of hunkered in the sunshine. I got the machete out from under my seat (What? You don't fly with a machete under the seat?) and whacked him good with the flat of the blade. Then scooped him up carefully and put him out the window.

Sure didn't want to piss him off.



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User currently offlineMrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 927 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11457 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
Here's my skydiving experience. At around 2000 feet all no-see-ums ("knott" in Swedish) decide to die. They used to swarm around the cabin and suddenly all drop dead. And what a relief!

They don't drop dead...they pass out for lack of oxygen. When I was doing my glider pilot lisence training, the airfield we worked out of was infested with mosquitoes, and they would get everywhere. Anyhow, once we passed about 1500' AGL, the mosquitoes would suddenly start to drop like flies, for lack of a better way of putting it.

This was great, until you reached the base leg at 600' AGL, and they'd all start to come back to life.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11405 times:

Quoting MrChips (Reply 7):
Anyhow, once we passed about 1500' AGL, the mosquitoes would suddenly start to drop like flies, for lack of a better way of putting it.

The US Department of Agriculture used to have a Beech 18 at El Centro Calif. that dropped sterile fruit flies (Little tiny vasectomy scars!) in Mexico as part of the fly eradication program. The flies came a thousand to the box and they often dumped more than a thousand boxes on a flight. They had installed a venturi-driven vacuum cleaner back in the cabin to suck out the few flies that escaped the boxes. Pilots said the flies were pretty lethargic above a couple thousand feet.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16999 posts, RR: 67
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11399 times:

Quoting MrChips (Reply 7):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 3):
Here's my skydiving experience. At around 2000 feet all no-see-ums ("knott" in Swedish) decide to die. They used to swarm around the cabin and suddenly all drop dead. And what a relief!

They don't drop dead...they pass out for lack of oxygen. When I was doing my glider pilot lisence training, the airfield we worked out of was infested with mosquitoes, and they would get everywhere. Anyhow, once we passed about 1500' AGL, the mosquitoes would suddenly start to drop like flies, for lack of a better way of putting it.

This was great, until you reached the base leg at 600' AGL, and they'd all start to come back to life.

I had no idea they came back to life! Wow! Well, in my defense I never landed with the plane Big grin



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11395 times:
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Quoting SlamClick (Reply 6):
I got the machete out from under my seat



...And that, ladies and gentlemen, is yet another example of what makes Indiana SlamClick such a badass.







Quoting SlamClick (Reply 6):
That space is made up of a box or grid of thin aluminum vertical joists with lightening holes all through, so it would be possible for a snake to get around under there. It could actually crawl out onto the chin bubbles which is supposedly how they found out it was there.



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NTSB Identification: ATL91LA096 .
The docket is stored on NTSB microfiche number 44283.
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Monday, May 20, 1991 in ROCK HILL, SC
Probable Cause Approval Date: 12/15/1992
Aircraft: SCHWEIZER 269C, registration: N7507J
Injuries: 1 Serious.




THE COMMERCIAL PILOT WAS FLYING AN AERIAL OBSERVATION FLIGHT. HE TURNED ON THE COCKPIT HEAT. A COPPERHEAD SNAKE EMERGED FROM THE HEAT VENT NEAR HIS FEET. AS THE PILOT MANEUVERED TOWARDS A LANDING AREA, THE SNAKE APPEARED POISED TO STRIKE. HE TRIED TO STEP ON THE SNAKE WITH HIS FOOT AND SUBSEQUENTLY LOST CONTROL OF THE HELICOPTER. THE HELICOPTER CONTACTED TREES AND TERRAIN AND WAS DESTROYED. THE SNAKE WAS NOT FOUND AFTER THE ACCIDENT. DRUG, ALCOHOL, AND SNAKE VENOM TESTING ON THE PILOT WAS NEGATIVE.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

THE PILOT DIVERTED HIS ATTENTION TO A POISONOUS SNAKE IN THE COCKPIT AND FAILED TO MAINTAIN CONTROL OF THE AIRCRAFT.

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...He diverts his attention for a little venomous snake...what a wuss.  sarcastic 


Perhaps if he had rembered his machete, none of this would have happened.  Wink




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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 11379 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 10):
Perhaps if he had rembered his machete

Don't leave home without it!  Smile



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4191 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11328 times:

I would love to put a machete in my flight kit and watch the look on the TSA x-ray tech's face....

"oh, sorry.... that's my nail clipper."



Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11325 times:
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Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 12):
I would love to put a machete in my flight kit and watch the look on the TSA x-ray tech's face....



I've often wondered how travelling cutlery sales reps get along these days...




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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11322 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 13):
I've often wondered how travelling cutlery sales reps get along these days...

Oh, 'bout the same as I did trying to bring an "ulu" back from Fairbanks. Seems the screeners there recognize this knife's distinctive shape. They must see a lot of them.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 11313 times:
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Reminds me of Jerry Seinfeld's bit on airport security:

I always look in the TV set; I cannot make out one object. I dont know what this guy is doing...he's going, "Whats that, a hair dryer with a scope on it? That looks ok, keep it moving. Some kind of bowling ball candle? Thats fine, we dont want to hold up the line".




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User currently offlineOzLAME From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11289 times:

I remember a story involving a Short Skyvan in Papua New Guinea from an issue of the Australian Aviation Safety Digest from about 35 years ago. I don't have it any more as I donated my collection of the Digest to a museum, but the story was on the back page and was a discussion of an Incident Report which IIRC went something like this:

" Upon entering the cockpit prior to flight I noticed that there was a 3-foot-long crocodile in the area of the rudder pedals. I declined to fly the aircraft as the crocodile was not on the Manifest and had the cargo loader remove the animal, which he did with the help of a native policeman."



Monty Python's Flying Circus has nothing to do with aviation, except perhaps for Management personnel.
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 11282 times:
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I found some more unwanted guests:












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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11191 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 17):

I guess the Aircraft departed late.After the Spectators left.  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineAbbs380 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 11164 times:

I used to work for an airfreight airline called Flying Tigers, no doubt some of you have heard of them. Their motto was-Anything Anyplace Anytime. This allegedly happened before I went to work there but was an often repeated story.
Back in the L-1049 days they were transporting a thoroughbred race horse cross country for a championship event. The horse was in some kind of a pen in the forward position in the cabin.
At some point during the flight the horse started to freak out and began kicking at the sides of his pen. As time went on he got more and more frantic, to the point that the flight crew had no idea what to do.
Eventually the poor horse was so scared that he broke free from his pen and headed for the open cockpit door.
As the story was told, the horse came charging forward into the cockpit, the s/o being directly in the horse/s path, grabbed the crash axe and nailed the horse between the eye/s, killing him.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11110 times:

Quoting Abbs380 (Reply 19):
they were transporting a thoroughbred race horse

There is a similar story of a well-known freight hauler transporting a racehorse. Before the flight, the horse was on a rope halter being led into a palletized stall when the engineer tested the fire warning system. The bell apparently sounds just like the starting bell on the gates at a racetrack and the horse sprinted right off the cargo deck . . .

ONA had a walrus for Sea World in SAN dropped from DC-9 deck height by a forklift. Ruined a perfectly good walrus.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11097 times:

Any Incidents Involving Elephants  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineSuperD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11087 times:

I do remember a story about a seal, although it wasn't an "unwanted" guest. A gentlemen I once knew that is now passed away (he did his first flying in WW1) told me about the fun they'd have in the early days of cargo flying when everything was a bit more laidback.

Apparently one flight they were carrying circus animals, including a seal. The animals were in the back and a handler was on board to take care of them. Well, enroute the first officer fell asleep and they decided to have a little fun with him. My esteemed friend climbed out of his seat and the animal handler put the seal in the captain's chair, complete with the captain's hat. Then the handler had the seal clap his flippers and bark. Thus, the slumbering FO was startled suddenly awake to see a clapping and barking seal in the captain's seat. Apparently, he was confused for a good half hour.


User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11067 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 21):
.....Involving Elephants

In the mid 1950's, NW transported a two year old Siamese elephant from SEA to ANC in a DC4.

Tod


User currently offlineTimT From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10942 times:

A good friend of mine is a flight mechanic for a 747 based cargo airline that transported a giraffe for some zoo. During the flight the autopilot kept dropping off. He told me they had a heck of a time figuring out why until someone noticed a bunch of hair (fur?) hanging on the cables aft of the flight deck. Seems Mr. Giraffe was scatching his head on the exposed cables and trying to adjust the trim. A/P didn't like it and walked off the job. They ended up with the giraffe on a shorter leash. No more A/P problems

25 HAWK21M : How was the restraining carried out. regds MEL
26 Post contains images Macc : this brings one of the best stories back to my mind, I have ever came upon in the news. some japanese fishermen were rescued out at the sea, when thei
27 Post contains images HAWK21M : Interesting Tale. What happened to the Soldiers regds MEL
28 PMN : I'm an animal lover, and animals being killed or injured is not good, but I have to admit, I have the giggles after reading that! Paul
29 TimePilot : That's fantastic! I can remember someone posting, I think here, a story about transporting lions? During the flight one of them awoke slightly and pu
30 SlamClick : That was another one: In about '75 or '76 they transported a male gorilla from San Diego to St. Louis for breeding purposes. They used a Turbo Comman
31 HAWK21M : Out here during Major Mx,the biggest threats are Rats.So We use the Wheel Guards when work is stopped at Night in the Hangar to avoid them getting int
32 Post contains images Airfoilsguy : I just spit my drink all over my paperwork
33 Alias1024 : SlamClick, I'd add you to my RU list if you weren't already there. Great story. Is anyone else thinking this might be the most amusing thread all yea
34 MD11Engineer : I heard a story from a South African colleague: A SAA cargo 747 was transporting an elephant in a box, which was open on top. During flight, the airc
35 Post contains images HAWK21M : Totally Agreed.Slamclick.....You should write a book.Your posts are fantastic. Wow.Thats probably the last time the lid was off while transporting an
36 474218 : All joking aside, when Eastern had a bad case of roaches in a L-1011 galley we recommended they call the local Orkin man (pest exterminator) did the t
37 DeltaGator : Me too! Damn good post. My "unwanted guest" wasn't on the flight deck but was a skanky New Jersey girl who wouldn't shut up for the entire flight nex
38 MD11Engineer : During my apprenticeship with LH in SXF, we had some tame cats roaming around the hangar. They were taken care of by to tool store people. Just their
39 Ftrguy : Shortly after take-off in an F/A-18C, I realized I was not the only one on board. A hornet started buzzing around the cockpit (pretty ironic). While t
40 Post contains images HAWK21M : I hope they did not need Dogs to trace the cats. ,else You'll end up with a zoo. Let me guess the F/O. regds MEL
41 Post contains links Airfoilsguy : Add sugar glider to the list. Found this on another thread. http://starbulletin.com/2005/11/11/news/story06.html
42 OV735 : I read from "Tu-134 - Soviet Short-Range Jet", a wonderful book by Dmitry Komissarov, how somewhere during the 1970's or '80's, a bear cub was transpo
43 HAWK21M : I guess Insects are the worst to Eliminate. Anyone having heard not so happy tales with Animals on board leading to accidents. regds MEL[Edited 2005-
44 Post contains links Mighluss : I've read also a very good threat in pprune about exotic cargos... if anyone is interested! http://www.pprune.com/forums/showthr...952c186253eec29001&
45 JamesJimlb : one time my flight was parked at a gate and there was a bird in the cabin it was weird, i think eventualy it flew out. and another time i was on a CO
46 HAWK21M : Sure sounds weird.Never noticed a Bird Inside the Cabin.Its always on the Aircraft. For Heavy Mx We always use the rat protector devices around the A
47 CHRISBA777ER : Wasnt there a story of a woman who got bitten by a poisonous spider on a AA jet in the US? Ill have a look for the thread.
48 Post contains links HAWK21M : http://www.nbc5i.com/travelgetaways/9935449/detail.html Something similiar http://www.laborlawtalk.com/archive/index.php/t-114474.html regds MEL
49 Aaron747 : Classic SC understatedness. This thread is evolving into a veritable treasure trove of one liners and anecdotal nuggets worth saving for a dozen rain
50 Jetstar : One time I was taking a girl for a ride in my C-150 and this was her first time in a small airplane. Just about the time I lifted off a wasp came thro
51 Post contains images GRZ-AIR : Not in the cockpit, but still caused some problems in the cabin. Not too long ago, an onboard smuggled hamster resulted in the cancellation of an Aust
52 Opso1 : I once got airborne out of Davis Monthan, Arizona in a Harrier. Unknown to me (until I landed back!) the engineers had left the canopy open all night
53 CoolGuy : I heard that bees are attracted to yellow paint and at some airports causes constant problems for those airlines unlucky enough to have yellow exterio
54 Valkyrie01 : I went to go sign off the AW release on a 757 one morning they were three pigeons aboard the airplane two in coach and one in the cockpit i went to si
55 HAWK21M : Is Spraying of Insect Repellant in Flight Advisable. regds MEL
56 MD11Engineer : In our current hangar in HHN we have some falcons nesting in the roof beams. They are used to have humans and planes around and are quite tame, they l
57 Starlionblue : Nice bonus. This is why I tell my wife not to kill spiders and lizards and such too diligently. They eat the more annoying bugs.
58 Valkyrie01 : I used to work in a hangar with birds i had to find somewhere safe to hide my tool box i was washing my tool box cover quite often.
59 MD11Engineer : I rather have spiders in my house than flies or mosquitos. I only remove cobwebs if they are clearly no inhabited. Jan
60 Post contains images HAWK21M : At this rate you'll have a Jungle set up in a few years regds MEL
61 MD11Engineer : My ex-mother-in-law used to live in a village in the rural Philippines. She had geckos (small insect eating lizards) all over the house. They were us
62 HAWK21M : Most effective against Mosquitos is the Net & the Odomus cream. regds MEL
63 PGNCS : I had a large wasp in the cockpit of a T-38 on one of my solo rides during pilot training. The wasp went unnoticed preflight as he was apparently hidd
64 HAWK21M : Isn't there a policy of spraying Insect Repellant in the Flight Deck prior to the 1st flight of the day. regds MEL
65 MD11Engineer : Two days ago we had to chase a bird out off the cabin of one of our 737s on preflight for the morning departure. Jan
66 Memphis : heard a story about a King Air pilot, he was on the ground somewhere were it was hot, so he left the door open while sitting on the ramp. He went out,
67 MD11Engineer : Not about animals, but also about unwellcome "guests": What about this UPS loader in ANC, who, after loading was finished, decided to have a nap in th
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