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Lehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 22
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

For some reason, I have always akin the burn of fuel out of an injector to a pilot light in a commercial heating furnace. That it would always be lit unless the fuel flow stopped, but needed to be re-lit by an ignition source every time.

What are flame holders, what do they look like and how do they work? Do they store heat, so to speak.

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MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13368 posts, RR: 64
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Quoting Lehpron (Thread starter):
What are flame holders, what do they look like and how do they work? Do they store heat, so to speak.

Flameholders create localised turbulence in the combustor (or the tail pipe of an engine with reheat / afterburner), which locally slows down the airflow and prevents the flame from getting blown away from the vicinity of the injector nozzles.

In afterburners they often look like rings of v shaped sheetmetal (high heat resistant steels, opening of the V faces aft) around and just downstream of the injector.

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TripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1053 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2316 times:

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Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 1):
Flameholders create localised turbulence in the combustor (or the tail pipe of an engine with reheat / afterburner), which locally slows down the airflow and prevents the flame from getting blown away from the vicinity of the injector nozzles.

I found this nice shot of the rear end of an F-16 engine in the db. Is this ring with the "fingers" and corrugated inner and outer radius the flameholder?

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FredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2184 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2307 times:

Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 2):
I found this nice shot of the rear end of an F-16 engine in the db. Is this ring with the "fingers" and corrugated inner and outer radius the flameholder?

From experience with other types: Yes.

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IFIXCF6 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

From my experience with this exact type: Yes

HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31228 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

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MEL

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Lehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

From all those who described, from my point of view, I see two things:

The flow just aft of the injector and prior to the flame holder looks like it would slow to zero just before flowing to either side of the ring. Is there much stagnation from the injector to the ring itself? Would that pressure increase help the burn?

I would probably see a localized reverse flow behind the ring that is 'U' or 'V' shaped like a twin local vortex solenoid spool, so to speak. Not that there is a vacuum on the back side, but wouldn't the pressures be significantly lower to cause this flow disturbance?

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