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Lost TV Show - But What Would Really Happen?  
User currently offlineJulesmusician From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

While I think "Lost" is just dramatic non factual pretty TV, unfortunately it does seem to ignore systems on aircraft that would be utilised if a crash occurred and there were survivors on a remote part of the world. What I would like to know is:

1) What is located on aircraft to assist in finding them if they go down somewhere? I assume there are auto locate beacons/transmitters but how do they know that they have "crashed" and need to transmit?

2) Do pilots and crew receive any training for managing a situation like this? Having read some SAS/SEAL survival training manuals they specifically refer to aircraft crashes and techniques for using everything on the aircraft for survival, especially hostile cold/hot environments. I just wonder whether there is any training for stuff like this or whether airlines just say "statistically it won't happen so not worth investing in training like that"

J



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User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

1) There is an Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT). It is activated either by a G sensor (don't bang it into the table before deactivating it when doing maintenance on it!) or manually.

2) No idea what is required. I have heard of pilots being given some cold-climate training before flying polar routes. Not sure it'd be much use though. I doubt it can expand the survivability window much.

[Edited 2005-11-05 13:20:23]


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User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

Combat pilots get survival training but Airline pilots don't(AFAIK).
It would cost a huge amount of money to train all Airline pilots in these methods and the chances that they will crash in a very remote area and not get rescued soon are very small.

The Sorcerer



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User currently offlineJulesmusician From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3908 times:

Would there be any scope for having some sort of survival manual/checklist in the plane that gives clear instructions on what to do in what order based on experience and military practice? The "i would rather have it and not need it, than be in need of it and not have it" - the chaos that would follow after a large aircraft crashes with survivors would be much better handled if there was any guidance to ensure time wasn't wasted - everyone else has contingency planning, why not airlines?

J


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

Quoting Julesmusician (Thread starter):
What is located on aircraft to assist in finding them if they go down somewhere?


Out here All Type of Aircraft are equipped with Emergency Locator Transmitter [ELT].
Impact type which starts functioning on Impact of a certain Acceleration.And the Water Activated thats starts transmitting on contacting water.
Currently ELT signals are trtansmitted on 121.5 Mhz or 243.0 Mhz.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3890 times:

There are also 406 MHz ELT:s these days.


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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3795 times:

Keep in mind, Lost is a Science-Fiction show.

But there are a number of ELTs. Even light aircraft in the US are required to be equipped with them. They are more or less self-contained and designed to go off if a certain load is exceeded. Some are also designed with a GPS co-locator so your exact position is given.



DMI
User currently offlineKhenleyDIA From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 7):
Keep in mind, Lost is a Science-Fiction show.

Not to mention that given the way they crashed... They would all likely have died.

When it comes to the ELTs, what kind of range does their signal have?

KhenleyDIA



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User currently offlineLongbowPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3721 times:
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Well, in the given situation where it become survival due to no rescue, I think pilots would try and get people directed. First order of business is survival, cause you never know what to expect.

This day and age though, if a modern airline goes down they will find it. Lost, is the biggest piece of fiction ever written.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3721 times:

Quoting KhenleyDIA (Reply 8):
what kind of range does their signal have

http://www.faa.gov/ATs/aat/ifim/ELT.htm
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineFlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3477 times:

U.S. Air Carrier aircraft often do not have ELTs; please refer to F.A.R. 91.207(f)(2).

Sec. 91.207 - Emergency locator transmitters.

(a) Except as provided in paragraphs (e) and (f) of this section, no person may operate a U.S.-registered civil airplane unless --

(f) Paragraph (a) of this section does not apply to --
(2) Aircraft while engaged in scheduled flights by scheduled air carriers



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User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1765 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3359 times:
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Don't the slides also have ELT's built into them (the ones that can sub as rafts) along with the life rafts?

That adds, certainly, to the number of possible transmitter sources a "lost" plane should have at its disposal ...

I remember a story of some years back where a MX crew "liberated" a life raft to use rafting down some rapids on a river. Great fun until the Coast Guard helicopter showed up : the raft had an ELT, which went off when they inflated the thing !

- litz


User currently offlineGary2880 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3331 times:



don't leave the cockpit without it.


User currently offlineKevinl1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 48
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

Never pay the monthly "building fund" contribution to your church or synagogue before a trip. Should you become stranded in a desolate area, they'll find you.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3277 times:

Quoting Litz (Reply 13):
I remember a story of some years back where a MX crew "liberated" a life raft to use rafting down some rapids on a river. Great fun until the Coast Guard helicopter showed up : the raft had an ELT, which went off when they inflated the thing !

Yeah Heard about that one.Surprisingly they were from Mx & never thought about the ELT  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offline10MID From Singapore, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

I'm surprised Starbucks didn't find the island they crashed on and set up shop round the corner.

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