Sponsor Message:
Aviation Technical / Operations Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?  
User currently offlineChrisjake From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 879 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6681 times:

i'm curious as to what the procedure is for turning on an airliner's landing lights. when does it happen?

does it happen at a certain altitude? is it airport dependent? airline dependent? or is it just part of the approach procedure of any airplane?


thanks
chris


Well nothing's dead down here, just a little tired
27 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6670 times:

Speaking for my airline only, we used to turn them on descending out of 10,000 feet but changed the procedure to make that out of 18,000 feet a few years ago. Generally speaking, I'd say that most airlines switch them on at 10,000.

User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6654 times:

I imagine it depends on visibility and weather conditions. A few years ago I asked the FA jokingly "Excuse me, I think somebody left the landing light on" He wasn't very amused Big grin Maybe he had a bad flight that day.


Religion is an illusion of childhood... Outgrown under proper education.
User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6633 times:

AV policy turns them off climbing and on descending through 10.000 feet above field elevation.

AV757


User currently offlineExpressJet_ERJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 834 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6625 times:

Our airline on the ERJ (not expressjet) we turn the wing lights on at 18000. the nose landing light when cleared for the approach and the nose taxi light on when we are cleared to land.


ETOPS...Engines Turn Or People Swim
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6624 times:

OPNL: So on those short hops PHL-PIT for instance, do your guys just leave them on all flight? I've noticed a few times that 18,000 is the cruise on those on Flightaware. Although that varies by wx/traffic I'm sure.

User currently offlineNoelG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6618 times:

They're normally switched off at 10,000 feet. not sure about switching them on, I know SAS in particular switch them on when they get landing clearance. You hear them on the scanner repeating the landing clearance and the lights come on at the same time!

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6570 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 5):
OPNL: So on those short hops PHL-PIT for instance, do your guys just leave them on all flight? I've noticed a few times that 18,000 is the cruise on those on Flightaware. Although that varies by wx/traffic I'm sure.

Cruising at 18,000 they'd be off. Descending out of 18,000, they'd be on.


User currently offlineSK A330-300 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6556 times:

I thought they used to turn the lights on at 10,000 feet but as I flew MH ARN-EWR a month ago I recognized that the lights were turned on the same moment we started our descend from 36,000 feet.

SK A330-300


User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1296 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6530 times:

how about strobe, NAV and Beacons whats the procedures for these 3?

Cheers Leo



Happiness is V1 in Lagos
User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6481 times:

I'm not a pilot, but I remember a BA Captain telling me that landing lights are switched on at 10,000ft - even in daylight - as it had the effect of reducing bird strikes! Well, I certainly believed him!


Per Ardua ad Astra! ........ Honi Soit Qui Mal y Pense!
User currently offlineBarney Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 997 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6445 times:

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 9):
how about strobe, NAV and Beacons whats the procedures for these 3?

The red beacons are on any time the a/c is moving or the engines are running. Strobe lights are usually turned on when taking the runway for departure and turned off when clearing after landing. NAV lights are on unless the a/c is parked for the night (some operators leave them on even in this case).



...from the Banana Republic....
User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5454 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6320 times:

Quoting Carduelis (Reply 10):
I'm not a pilot, but I remember a BA Captain telling me that landing lights are switched on at 10,000ft - even in daylight - as it had the effect of reducing bird strikes! Well, I certainly believed him!

Well, remember landing lights are used more so that other aircraft can see YOU. Same way cars have daytime running lights. Has little to do with day/night or vizibility.

Strobes are rarely turned on until the last moment when taking the active runway - can be very distracting and confused with REILs etc.


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4069 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6295 times:

There is no requirement for nav lights daytime, and a lot of aircraft here leave them off.

User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5454 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6209 times:

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 13):
There is no requirement for nav lights daytime, and a lot of aircraft here leave them off.

Right, but we're talking landing lights. Usually part of the checklist for descents, before landing etc. It is also a FAA recommendation for departing aircraft after takeoff clearance, as a study highlighted that less runway incursions might occur if this SOP was used.


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineBrownBat From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6190 times:

The BEACON lights need to be turned on whenever the engines are on or are about to be on so guys on the ground are aware. The strobe lights don't have to be on all the time when on the ground like when you are taxing at night. They have to be on when you are on a runway or in flight. Landing lights are on below 10kfeet or when you know you are in a busy airspace for safety. NAV lights are only useful at night.

User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5454 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6183 times:

I'd be careful about your use of 'Need to...' and 'have to...'.

Most of what you described are part of operating procedures (not FAA requirements) that may vary depending on the aircraft and/or operator. Sure, most are good practice.


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineStoicescu From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6170 times:

I turn the beacons on when I start the engine. Nav lights at sun down (or very close to sun down) and strobes I wait until the last moment to turn them on because it is extremely annoying and blinding to other pilots. So usually while taxiing into position for T/O.

User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6091 times:

To add my 5 cents  Smile - The turned on beacons can be remembered as "aircraft active". At any point of time if the aircraft is active, that is, having the engines running the beacons must always be on. Notice that groundcrew (except the people who put the chocks in place at the gears) are not allowed to go near the aircraft until the beacons are turned off... which usually are after the engines are cut.


Boeing747 万岁!
User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6086 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 1):
Generally speaking, I'd say that most airlines switch them on at 10,000.

 checkmark  yes 

I was going to say this as well. Most airlines have specific altitudes that 'lights on' is required, but if there isn't one specified it is common technique to flip them on when descending through 10000.



Crye me a river
User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5454 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6073 times:

Quoting Mr.BA (Reply 18):
Notice that groundcrew (except the people who put the chocks in place at the gears) are not allowed to go near the aircraft until the beacons are turned off... which usually are after the engines are cut.

In our plane, probably real bad practice, but the beacon switch is ALWAYS left on. Whenever the master switch is on, it's never left long without the engine running, and a piston engine could in theory accidentally start anytime the master is on, the beacon is flashing. Goes off of course a few seconds after engine shutdown when we turn off the master switch.


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6058 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 20):
In our plane, probably real bad practice, but the beacon switch is ALWAYS left on.

I do it too, in civilian flying. It just lets everyone know that when the beacon is on, there's the possibility of the engine running. Better to be safe than sorry, especially when you're operating at an airfield with a lot of students running around. If they know to stay away from beacons, they'll be fine.



Crye me a river
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5980 times:

10,000 ft Both on Climb [Switched off] or Descent [Switched on].
Irrespective of Day or Night.Helps reduce Bird strikes too.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2556 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5835 times:

We always switch the beacon and nav lights on once the electrical is hot. Taxi light is left off during taxi in daylight. Once cleared to take the runway (on departure of uncontrolled fields) taxi, anti-collision strobes and landing lights are used. Descending into the destination airport, strobes and nav lights are turned on. Landing lights and taxi lights are not used until gear down. Landing lights are usually retracted and turned off on climbout. On the Cessna 400 series aircraft, the landing lights are retractible units located under each wingtip. When retracted they are flush with the bottom wing skin. When used, the pilot must extend them and switch them on.


"When a man runs on railroads over half of his lifetime he is fit for nothing else-and at times he don't know that."
User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5806 times:

beacons arent only used when engines ar or are about to be running.....beacon shows the intention of the aircraft to move! we have to have our beacon flashing when we tow aircraft, no engines running!!

25 Hamad130 : HI ALL I am sure below 10 000 ft during night flying all external light should be on . During IMC condition u can turn it of because it will make conf
26 Tornado82 : My parents live directly underneath the flight path on the short B1900 hops MGW-PIT-MGW. At that point they are typically on their cruise, but under 1
27 HAWK21M : I presume its a common Three posn switch. regds MEL
Top Of Page
Forum Index

Reply To This Topic When Do Landing Lights Get Turned On?
Username:
No username? Sign up now!
Password: 


Forgot Password? Be reminded.
Remember me on this computer (uses cookies)
  • Tech/Ops related posts only!
  • Not Tech/Ops related? Use the other forums
  • No adverts of any kind. This includes web pages.
  • No hostile language or criticizing of others.
  • Do not post copyright protected material.
  • Use relevant and describing topics.
  • Check if your post already been discussed.
  • Check your spelling!
  • DETAILED RULES
Add Images Add SmiliesPosting Help

Please check your spelling (press "Check Spelling" above)


Similar topics:More similar topics...
When Do Pilots Turn Tail Light On? posted Tue Aug 8 2006 23:54:43 by Eastern023
Landing Lights On Fog Conditions posted Sat Nov 29 2003 01:44:37 by Schreiner
When Do Planes Get Grounded After A Flight? posted Sun Oct 26 2003 04:44:59 by Lehpron
Landing Lights On B737 Flashing posted Fri Jul 5 2002 22:54:28 by Mdobeck
How Hot Do The Breaks Get On The 747... posted Tue Apr 24 2001 22:27:17 by Tuffty
When Do Airplanes Begin Approach? posted Sun Jun 11 2006 10:35:03 by VictorTango
Flashing Landing Lights posted Mon Dec 12 2005 00:40:43 by YYZatcboy
Landing Lights Range posted Sat Oct 22 2005 18:10:39 by HMUcfm56
Flashing Landing Lights posted Wed Jul 13 2005 05:42:13 by CVG2LGA
737 Landing Lights posted Sun May 8 2005 19:08:15 by Scott0305

Sponsor Message:
Printer friendly format