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User currently offlineWorldspotterPL From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 128 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

Hi guys,
I am 17 years old, live in London and I am yet to complete my German abitur in 2007...in the English university system (ucas) we have to apply next year so obviously I am having thoughts about what to study. First of all it has always been THE dream to become airliner pilot...to go back to Germany to try to get into LH is really hard and on top of them only taking like 120 out of 10000 applicants per year (non actually at the moment I believe) I would also have to complete a year of voluntary work (zivil dienst) or be lucky and avoid the military service because of health issues. (which could be a problem when trying to become pilot though I suppose...). SO that's rather not the option.

SO England: what I'm looking at at the moment are things like studying 'Aviation Management' in Leeds or London Metro Uni.
- how are the chances of a good job in the industry
- do airlines/airports actually prefer applicants having studied this over say Business Students of really good Uni's

or become a pilot in England: I could simply ask my dad for a lot of money (PPL) or study 'Aviation Technology (Pilots Pathway)' which costs a lot as well though I guess...
- how save is it though to get a job as a pilot without having done the license at an airline where you're gonna get a job? (like at LH)

...having studied Aviation Management would provide me a much wider range of possible jobs in the future...however becoming a pilot would be the preferred option still...

I hope some of you with inside knowledge and experience of the industry might answer some of these questions...I hope its not confusing.

With best regards from beautiful London,


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2515 times:
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Quoting WorldspotterPL (Thread starter):
or be lucky and avoid the military service because of health issues. (which could be a problem when trying to become pilot though I suppose



Don't spend any money on pilot training until you get any health issues sorted out. It would be a real shame to spend a fortune on your education, only to be grounded by a medical issue.




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User currently offlineWorldspotterPL From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 128 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

I guess they won't let you start the PPL without the medical check...I will do a medical test soon

regards



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):
Don't spend any money on pilot training until you get any health issues sorted out. It would be a real shame to spend a fortune on your education, only to be grounded by a medical issue.

 checkmark  yes 

Make sure you get this checked out before you invest anything. I've seen it many times where someone will dump everything they have in securing a loan for flight training, only to find out AFTERWARDS that they can't get their medical. You need to make sure you don't have anything that will prevent you from flying in the future.



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User currently offlinePoobaboon From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2438 times:

Hi Paul

Quoting WorldspotterPL (Thread starter):
what I'm looking at at the moment are things like studying 'Aviation Management' in Leeds

I am currently in my 2nd year of this course (aviation technology & management), msn me (poobaboon@hotmail.com) if you want to talk about the degree, but in my experience I don't regret dropping out of a computing degree and changing to aviation even though there are a few modules that bore me to the point of paper airplanes ( and I would have won the competition if they had chose a nice big hall!), like fluid mechanics/maths/materials, there are some really interesting modules too like meteorology/aircraft engines/transport policy to name a few. The current 3rd years and the students who have just graduated say the final year is the best and most interesting. This is the (crap) aviation website but it has the module listing on.

Like I said earlier just PM me or MSN me and I will gladly let you know anything about the degree or Leeds.

Dan



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User currently offlineWorldspotterPL From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 128 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

ahhh, great Dan, I will add you...thanks so much for the info so far, see you on msn.

what about the chances of a job though management compared to pilot? any comments on that?

Paul



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User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

Paul,

You're too nice to be a pilot...  Wink With a degree in anything, the world is your oyster! Just take a course that interests you and will hold your attention for 3 years.

You *really* dont want to get stuck on a course that you hate, remember you'll be paying for it once you're graduated and got a job!!

-Kevin



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User currently offlineStoicescu From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 6 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

One more thing ... Usually the airlines don't care what degree you have but they want to see that you got a 4 years degree.

User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 5 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):
Don't spend any money on pilot training until you get any health issues sorted out. It would be a real shame to spend a fortune on your education, only to be grounded by a medical issue.

I guess it's a missunderstanding (are there really that long words in English confused  ). Many young German males develop spontaneously mysterial diseases at the age of 18-19 (in order to avoid to go to the military or doing social work for nearly a year). I bet he belongs to this group.

pelican


User currently offlineWorldspotterPL From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 128 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 5 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Thanks Kev  Smile

So what you guys mean is that for an airline management career I don't need an aviation degree but any degree, the better the uni, the better the chances? I just don't want to be like everyone else, to study business management is simply what everyone does and you have to be somewhat outstanding eg be at a really good uni. with a degree in music I won't be able to get into the aviation industry, right?  Silly

What about being a pilot though...I keep hearing that there are so many jobless pilots around the world, on the other hand I keep hearing that traffic will double in the next 15 years! How risky is it to get a ppl and hope for a job?

Paul



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User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 hour ago) and read 2353 times:

Quoting Pelican (Reply 8):
Many young German males develop spontaneously mysterial diseases at the age of 18-19 (in order to avoid to go to the military or doing social work for nearly a year). I bet he belongs to this group.

It's a requirement at LH to have done your wehrpflicht or sozial dienst.
I'd be happy to do my wehrpflicht, they're classifying everyone now and only people in the top two categories get selected for it AFAIK.
thanks

The Sorcerer



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months ago) and read 2349 times:
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Quoting Pelican (Reply 8):
I guess it's a missunderstanding (are there really that long words in English ).



When it comes to long words, English has got nothing on German.

Fussballweltmeisterschaftsqualifikationsspiel

Vierwaldstaetterseedampfschiffahrtsgesellschaft

Rechtsschutzversicherungsgesellschaften

Donaudampfschiffahrtselektrizitaetenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengessellschaft


 Wink




2H4





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User currently offlineWorldspotterPL From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 128 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

Quote:
One more thing ... Usually the airlines don't care what degree you have but they want to see that you got a 4 years degree.



Most degrees are 3 years, why do airlines want 4 years?

Paul



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User currently offlineWhiskeyflyer From Ireland, joined May 2002, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

If you want a business degree, I would avoid specalising in Aviation Management, rather go for a general Business Degree/diploma or better still Project Management, it widens your options. Airlines take on all sort of degrees (law, marketing, HR, accountants etc) rarely do I see an airline specifically ask for an Aviation Management degree. Do not forget aviation is not just airlines, its all the support companies such as component shops, maintenance facilities, catering, ticketing, IT, planning, customer services, cleaning etc. Best to keep your options open for aviation is an industry with short "boom bust" cycles. A general business degree will get you into an airline, and if no jobs available in aviation when your graduate at least you can work elsewhere until a position opens up.

I myself have an aerospace engineering degree and worked my way up through the maintenance ranks into management and I have interviewed people with specialised degrees (such as transport, aviation) and I am afraid to say they have no distinct advantage to somebody holding a non specialist degree. My wife has an arts degree and she is high up in management for a major international airline running their IT division (ok she also has computer diplomas)

With your papers all you are demonstrating is your ability to think at a certain level and demonstrate the right attitude and ability to work hard independently. Basically the hiring company will teach you the skills they need as people fresh out of school do not have them and each company has a different culture.


User currently offlineWorldspotterPL From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 128 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

thank you very much for sharing your knowledge, whiskeyflyer! This is exactly the sort of inside information I need.

Paul



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User currently offlineWorldspotterPL From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 128 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

So basically, a music and management joint degree for example would still make it possible to get into aviation? That would obviously widen my options even more...

Any thoughts, experience on that?

Paul



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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3353 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2238 times:

Maybe it is possible to study logistics. I studied international logistics. It is a subject interesting for airlines, but in case no airline is willing/able to take you, you can still go into shipping/trucking etc. With the experience gained there you can later on still try to apply for a job in aviation. Since the aviation industry is unstable at the best of times, this will spread your chances for work a bit better. Even if it is not necessarily in your preferred sector.


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