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Aircraft Parts Cost...how Much!?  
User currently offlineReidYYZ From Kyrgyzstan, joined Sep 2005, 536 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11735 times:

With the occasional thread of 'lets buy this a/c, start our own airline...' I though it might be interesting for some out there as to exactly what some of these parts cost. These are replacement value, not overhaul costs. Keep in mind, when a carrier starts up, they have nothing and have to buy 'off the shelf'. These are for RR powered A330. All prices are in Canadian peso:

apu ignitor- $300.00 (2)
engine ignitor- $350.00 (4)
engine mount bolt- $1000.00 (16)
hp oil filter- $600.00 (2)
scavenge oil filter- $280.00 (2)
aileron actuator servo- $60,000.00 (8)
main wheel assy- $17,600.00 (8)
main wheel brake assy- $60,000.00 (8)
engine driven hyd pump- $35,000.00 (4)
flt deck clock- $12,000.00 (2)
wing tank boost pump- $35,000.00 (8)
engine fan blade- $48,000.00 (54)
door slide/raft assy- $65,000.00 (8)
main battery- $7,600.00 (2)
engine pneumatic starter- $66,700.00 (2)

The big ticket items:
ECAM, PFD, ND display unit- $140,000.00 (6)
flight control primary computer- $240,000.00 (3)
flight control unit(autopilot control panel on eyebrow)- $172,000.00 (1)
flight management guidance envelope computer- $493,000.00 (2)
integrated drive generator- $400,000.00 (2)
electronic engine control unit- $635,000.00 (2)
apu- $844,000.00 (1)

figures in (brackets) are qty per aircraft. Yes, you can get loaner parts, The running price most times is 10% of the units value PER DAY. After ten days you paid full price, but only to rent it and have to return it.

Any other prices out there?

[Edited 2005-11-29 09:43:51]

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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13011 posts, RR: 100
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11651 times:
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Rule of thumb is replacement parts cost 250% of manufacturing costs. If the prices seem outrageous, realize aircraft parts are all qualified (tested) unlike most mass produced items.

Quoting ReidYYZ (Thread starter):
All prices are in Canadian peso:

Canadian Peso?  rotfl  Does on split the difference and get the US dollar?

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineErj-145mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11632 times:

There's actually a very scientific algorithmic formula used to price out aircraft parts. I'm going to go out on the limb and reveal this super secret formula to the members of airliners.net, but you must swear on the graves of Wilbur and Orville Wright that you will never, ever repeat this, or indicate where you became aware to this secret.


Ready?

You take the part number, and put a $ sign in front of it!


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3997 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11611 times:

Quoting ReidYYZ (Thread starter):
aircraft maintenance is like taking a crap, the job isn't done until the paperwork is complete.

 rotfl 

Looking at that list I would imagine that with "power-by-the-hour" schemes as R-R offers the cost of the engine sold must be at least twice the list price.

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 1):
Rule of thumb is replacement parts cost 250% of manufacturing costs.

With those prices is it common for airlines to buy complete replacement engines and just cannibalize them for parts or do they use the replacement ones merely to keep aircraft in the air as long as possible.
And does a replacement engine also cost 250% of the price of one sold "underneath the wings" when bought standalone?



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11596 times:

Garrett had MSP which is more or less the same as Rolls power by the hour.

The engines are in a pool, and what you pay per hour annually is a function of how much it cost to maintain the fleet. You may have to take your aircraft in at an inconvenient time to get service bulletins done, and they aren't near as nit picky as you'd be if it was your own motor.

Most people thought it was a pretty good deal. I like Rolls' real time trend monitoring they do-that is a great improvement. P&W Canada had a similar syustem but it was before the days of real time anything.

Anyone got any G2 about what parameters are monitored?


User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11565 times:

just a few prices ive been told in the past....not sure how accurate they are

Magnetic chip detector £25,000
An old lecturer of mine was using one to hold his garage door open  Wink
EEC for a CF6 around £6-700,000
FADEC for a GE90 over a million £


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11522 times:

1 blade from the first stage high pressure turbine of a F22 engine, $1000 Engine requires 58 of them. That is wholesale, I have no idea what the government is paying for them.

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13011 posts, RR: 100
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11484 times:
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Quoting Pyrex (Reply 3):
And does a replacement engine also cost 250% of the price of one sold "underneath the wings" when bought standalone?

actually, no! Replacement engines bought *with* the new airframe ("underneath the wings") are sold pretty cheap. We had one clever customer who somehow sneaked in a provision for 50% spare engines with the odd proviso that they were buying them slowly over time... turns out the new spare engines were cheaper than a rebuild, so the old engines were just scrapped for parts while the aircraft flew on the new engines. To say the least, that mistake wasn't made twice.

The engine business is a "razor blade business." In other words, "give away the razor and make the money on the blades." Spare parts are the lifeblood of an engine company.

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 5):
FADEC for a GE90 over a million £

Really?!? that's one hell of a mark up, more than the 250% "rule of thumb." I somehow doubt they're that much... FADEC's are too easy to steal and don't cost $400,000 from the vendor...  scratchchin  You can't walk out with an engine under your coat, but you might get by with a FADEC!  scratchchin 

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11465 times:

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 5):
Magnetic chip detector £25,000
An old lecturer of mine was using one to hold his garage door open

How was he doing that with a chip detector.  Smile
The Prices of Aircraft spares just see the reason where correct Mx descisions with regards to component replacemenrts are so important in contributing the to the Airlines expenditures.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2544 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11452 times:

When ever friends ask "Why are airfares so high?" I usually bring up parts cost. One of my favorites from overhaul was trailing edge door hinges on the MD88. There are two trailing edge doors per wing at the flap/wing juncture which tend to have worn hinges at most overhauls. They are simple aluminum piano style. There are six hinge halves per door. Each cost $200. So with Hilocks we have consumed$1250 per door. To change them the door has to be removed from the airplane. It takes about 12 manhours per door to R&R the hinges. I use a shop rate of $40/hr which is a little low. MRO standard is about $44/hr. So that's $480 per door. For four doors that is $6920 per airplane.

User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11346 times:

The absolute best one that I've seen was on a state of the art DC-8. Just above the F/E's desk there's storage box for an 02 mask. Some of the planes have a door over the box, some don't. On one bird, the door was damaged and DMI'd. Checked the DMI logs and it was quoted at $13,000 USD with a lead time of close to a year. For whatever reason it was deemed that sheetmetal couldn't fabricate a replacement for 1/1000 of that cost......

ReidYYZ has a good point about spares prices. When people complain about their high fare, they have NO idea of the complexity and cost of maintaining these machines. IMO, airlines have done a very poor job of explaining to their customer why they SHOULD be paying alot.


User currently offlineWhiskeyflyer From Ireland, joined May 2002, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11327 times:

overhead bin latch cover $400 each and lead time six weeks from OEM
sheet metal shop are making them for about $10 each. Its a cosmetic piece so we certify them, wasn't exactly rocket science to make them.
A lot of big companied assume all parts have to come from OEM (or somebody is getting more than from the suppliers than a christmas card, know what I mean)
bad side of the price gourging is more and more Bogus parts entering the market


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11316 times:

Quoting Whiskeyflyer (Reply 11):
bad side of the price gourging is more and more Bogus parts entering the market

Thats where trusted vendors are so very Important.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineWillo From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11303 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 1):
If the prices seem outrageous, realize aircraft parts are all qualified (tested) unlike most mass produced items.

Exactly! There has to be traceability back to the raw material for the products we produce. Every aspect of the manufacture has to be documented. We audit our suppliers and our customers audit us. We are also subject to independent audit by the CAA and British Standards (for our ISO). These costs have to be recouped.

Spare parts are quite often for out of production units, so there isn't the benefit of "production" prices. On top of that, we are expected to support our products for 20 years or longer, which means keeping stock and/or the tooling plus the drawings (we regularly repair fans dating back to the early 70's). So yes, parts do fetch outrageous prices!


User currently offlineN685FE From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11263 times:

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 9):
I use a shop rate of $40/hr which is a little low.

That is a pretty low price, in a lot of shops that would barely covers the hourly wage. Then add to that the employee's benefit package, then any cost to recover for shop tools/equipment and consumables. The cost quickly adds up.

Just the other night I installed a CVR that was over $24,000. Then I moved over to another job, $650 for the light strip on a map chart holder. I will try to track how much passes through my hands in one night during the hub turn (average 170 aircraft in 4-5 hours).



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User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11248 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
How was he doing that with a chip detector

i'm not entirely sure! lol


User currently offlineJeffry747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11195 times:
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Some years ago a UPS 763 was struck by a loader on its right side aileron. The replacement aileron was said to have cost $10k alone.


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User currently offlineSLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 583 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days ago) and read 11185 times:

Actually, I find it very hard to believe the aileron cost $10K. Heck, my guess is even $100K is low, but I haven't priced them lately  Wink.

Would a salvage part from an old 762 work?

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11172 times:

Quoting Jeffry747 (Reply 16):
Some years ago a UPS 763 was struck by a loader on its right side aileron. The replacement aileron was said to have cost $10k alone

What happens in such scenario.I don't think the Employee faulted can afford the fine.
Is $10K for a new replacement or used.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11129 times:

I rememeber a (titanium) bracket for a CFM thrust reverser (essentially a foot long bit of L-shaped metal) costing around $1000 CDN.
FQIC's and other boxes are nice and expensive too...  Smile


User currently offlineJoness0154 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11083 times:

US$1500 to RECHARGE an engine fire bottle...


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17027 posts, RR: 67
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11083 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 18):
Quoting Jeffry747 (Reply 16):
Some years ago a UPS 763 was struck by a loader on its right side aileron. The replacement aileron was said to have cost $10k alone

What happens in such scenario.I don't think the Employee faulted can afford the fine.

His employer should provide insurance for this. If they try to charge him for it the apron would be overrun by lawyers within a matter of minutes. And then the airlines would start to complain that they can't taxi, and the pax would complain they don't get anywhere, and the A.nutters wouldn't get clean shots. all kinds of crap...

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 1):
If the prices seem outrageous, realize aircraft parts are all qualified (tested) unlike most mass produced items.

I saw this docu about private jets. They were explaining how everything had to be fire certified with a test, including such extremely flammable items as the granite coffee table and countertops...



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11080 times:

If I remember correctly FedEx spent 9 million per plane to retrofit their DC10 3 person cockpits to 2 person MD11 cockpits. My sales rep told me that. I don't know if is true or not.

User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11042 times:

Quoting Jeffry747 (Reply 16):
Some years ago a UPS 763 was struck by a loader on its right side aileron. The replacement aileron was said to have cost $10k alone.

I think you might have omitted a "0"  Smile


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11041 times:

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 19):
I rememeber a (titanium) bracket for a CFM thrust reverser (essentially a foot long bit of L-shaped metal) costing around $1000 CDN

Isn't that the part that took out the concord?


25 HAWK21M : What happens to the erring Employee.And his future carrier. regds MEL
26 Fr8Mech : If any mechanic here causes damage to an aircraft, he is usually disciplined and retrained. It also depends on the chain of events that led to the in
27 Matt72033 : Same here, we have a situation lately where the company we use for loading and such now report absolutely everything, before they load, the inspect t
28 Post contains images A319XFW : Nope, the part that took out Concorde was from a CO jet, thus being a Long Range aircraft (as it was in CDG), this was for an A319/A320  [Edited 200
29 777WT : The part that was found on the runway and brought up in the concorde investigation was a part from a CO DC-10 engine seal.
30 Post contains images A319XFW : Thanks for clarifying. Does CO still have DC-10's? Great birds. I used to fly them with AY. I remember as a kid they just looked huge next to their D
31 777WT : They all have been retired.
32 UAL Bagsmasher : A CRJ-200 IDG runs around $250K. I heard that the pressurization panel in the cockpit runs over $100K. But we have to keep flying people coast to coas
33 ReidYYZ : I found out some prices for support: technical support (1 Mech/Avionic): $90.00/hr min. 4 hrs ground power unit: min charge $90.00 per 30 min. or frac
34 Jeffry747 : Of course the company has to foot the bill, and the employee is promptly fired with little to no chance of the union getting his job. If the employee
35 HAWK21M : If the Aircraft has Insurance.Is Ground related Damage covered by it.What the procedure.Is it similiar to that of an Autmobile. regds MEL
36 Tod : It's this way with commerial aircraft too. We even have to do flam testing when we change the color of paint on a piece of aluminum. About the only n
37 Post contains images Lightsaber : Good point! And yes, don't forget the paperwork. I just got hit in an audit where paper I created 18 months ago was found "deficient." Luckily it was
38 TheSonntag : Just to give one example: The Thielert Diesel engine for the Cessna 172 costs something about 40000€. This engine is a modified DaimlerChrysler car
39 ReidYYZ : Its the only factor. Wear and tear on the hangar door is not even a consideration.
40 Tod : That sure depends on the country. I have been shocked by the lack of configuration control that I've seen recently. I understand how hard it can be,
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