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For The Pilots: Winter Ops From Short Runways...  
User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3210 times:

....given the recent WN incident and alot of the attention drawn to MDW's short runways and lack of buffer zones...give us your thoughts on the subject.

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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3189 times:

They've been doing it for years, and from shorter runways. MDW had many aircraft land before the WN flight with no problems. What more is there? We don't know the outcome and we won't for some time (and I'm not even going to begin to speculate because the NTSB will do a very thurough investigation as they always do)but the Air France incident earlier this year proved that even a long runway isn't a guarantee.

BTW: Cold weather improves performance. I'd rather have a short runway in cold/low density altitude conditions than in hot and high conditions.



DMI
User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 1):
I'd rather have a short runway in cold/low density altitude conditions than in hot and high conditions.

Ditto, especially in a piston plane  scared 


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9210 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

Not the first, will not be the last.

Runway Excursions and Runway Overrun [PDF 58K]
The Final Approach Speed [PDF 57K]
Landing Distances [PDF 92K]
Braking Devices [PDF 83K]
Wet or Contaminated Runways [PDF 73K]



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User currently offlineGrbld From Netherlands, joined Dec 2005, 353 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 1):
I'd rather have a short runway in cold/low density altitude conditions than in hot and high conditions.

Not with braking action less than good, I hope!


User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

Considering what I'm flying isn't certified for flight into known icing, if it isn't good or better in winter I'm probably not going. Regardless, the length of runway didn't prevent others from landing that day in less than perfect conditions.


DMI
User currently offlineBhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

I'm curious tho..granted all of the info is not out yet..but was'nt there a "suggestion" from Boeing a few years ago for pilots to use higher landing velocities because of the unexplained rudder issues? I've read that this is a -700 series bird, so the question might be moot, which makes me ask..does the NG series of birds use a redesigned rudder command and control system? No..this is not a A vs. B bait...I don't go for that crap anyhow...If'n it flies...

Cheers



Carpe Pices
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

Quoting Bhill (Reply 6):
I'm curious tho..granted all of the info is not out yet..but was'nt there a "suggestion" from Boeing a few years ago for pilots to use higher landing velocities because of the unexplained rudder issues? I've read that this is a -700 series bird, so the question might be moot, which makes me ask..does the NG series of birds use a redesigned rudder command and control system?

There is an extra actuator for the rudder now. After years of testing they finally managed to reproduce the issue in the lab. Had to do with very hot hydraulic fluid + very cold components. Lab testing concluded that the issue is so unlikely it shouldn't happen, which goes to show how many 737 flights there are.

As for the recommendations, I have no idea.



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