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MD80 APU/Packs Question.  
User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

I am qualified to run the apu and ride the brakes for AA on their S-80s, but does anyone either have a checklist or can just tell me how to run the packs for warm air while I'm onboard? I know I have to run the fire loop test...but after that I'm just lost....Any help?

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User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

Quoting Flyibaby (Thread starter):
but does anyone either have a checklist or can just tell me how to run the packs for warm air while I'm onboard? I know I have to run the fire loop test...but after that I'm just lost....Any help?

i would ask someone at work to help you!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3008 times:

Quoting Flyibaby (Thread starter):
I am qualified to run the apu and ride the brakes for AA on their S-80s

Whats this a part approval.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineCritter From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 267 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2986 times:

I am sure that we could tell you how to do it. However, I feel that we would only be setting you up for a world of trouble. If something should go wrong while you were operating the packs, I don't believe that American would be very receptive of your certified Airliners.net training course. If you want more information you need to go through American to get the proper certification to run the Airconditioning Systems. This is something that they may due since it is sometimes a must to keep potable water systems from freezing on overnight A/C.

critter (Certified Airliners.net Technical Trainer)  Wink


User currently offlineA/c train From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 501 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Your qualified too ride brakes and operate APU ? how and why ? what kind of course or approval board have you sat, you sound like a ground handler who does things he shouldnt to me ! no offence intended but I know a fair few of em!
regds a/c


User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3471 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

Ask any AA pilot while at work. Virtually all have spent some time on the MD.


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User currently offlineCritter From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 267 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

Quoting A/c train (Reply 4):
Your qualified too ride brakes and operate APU ? how and why ? what kind of course or approval board have you sat, you sound like a ground handler who does things he shouldnt to me ! no offence intended but I know a fair few of em!
regds a/c

I do not know the specifics of Flyibaby's situation. However, I do know that some U.S. airlines train certain ramp personal to operate the APU and ride the brakes for on field relocation purposes. This is usually done by a certified Maintenance Trainer for locations that do not have A/C maintenance.

critter


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6005 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

Quoting Critter (Reply 6):
However, I do know that some U.S. airlines train certain ramp personal to operate the APU and ride the brakes for on field relocation purposes. This is usually done by a certified Maintenance Trainer for locations that do not have A/C maintenance.

Bingo. I worked for a contractor that did AA's ground work, and was trained to brake-ride the MD-80; I brake-rode nearly every day I worked for the rest of the time I worked there, too, as I was one of the few who knew how to talk to ground. In fact, I still have all of the training books that they hand out during training.

When I went to work for an actual airline, only loadmaster/leads and above were trained to brake-ride the aircraft, and since I never rose up enough in the ranks to achieve that position, I never got trained on it.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

Quoting Critter (Reply 6):
I do know that some U.S. airlines train certain ramp personal to operate the APU and ride the brakes for on field relocation purposes. This is usually done by a certified Maintenance Trainer for locations that do not have A/C maintenance.

Who Issues the Approval....FAA.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6005 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Who Issues the Approval....FAA.

The approval to brake ride? That's provided by the trainer, who certifies that training was given to those individuals, and kept in a training log for FAA inspection. The FAA only certifies airmen, not ramp agents.



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User currently offlineCritter From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 267 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Who Issues the Approval....FAA

The airline is required to have a FAA approved Maintenance Training program, and functions such as APU operation, brake riding, and radio operation all fall under this category. The FAA does not monitor each individual trainee, only that the program is in place. They may do spot checks to verify that there are qualified individuals to perform the required duties.

critter


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):
That's provided by the trainer, who certifies that training was given to those individuals

Who qualifies as a trainer.Someone Approved by FAA & Familiar with the procedures.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6005 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 11):
Who qualifies as a trainer.Someone Approved by FAA & Familiar with the procedures.

The airline approves the trainer; the only thing the FAA did was give him his license so that he could get hired on at the airline. It was the experience gained at that airline that qualifies him for the trainer position.



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User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 7):
as I was one of the few who knew how to talk to ground. In fact, I still have all of the training books that they hand out during training.

over here at our company, tuggy's handle the radios, we just keep in contact with them!....we're supposed to listen to the radios and monitor in case the tuggy takes a wrong turn!

of course if we have a problem and the tug loses there radio we have to take over!....some stands at LGW where the tug sits in front of the nosewheel they are in a black spot for there radio, so we call up ground and get clearence and relay this onto the tuggy via the flight interphone!

we get company approval to ride brakes, pretty much anyone who wants to is aloud!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 13):
we get company approval to ride brakes, pretty much anyone who wants to is aloud!

Out here its still only Mx personnell in the Cockpit for Towing.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 14):
Out here its still only Mx personnell in the Cockpit for Towing

sorry, i didnt make myself very clear....its engineers who do it, but in response to

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 7):
When I went to work for an actual airline, only loadmaster/leads and above were trained to brake-ride the aircraft, and since I never rose up enough in the ranks to achieve that position, I never got trained on it.

it doesnt matter if your a certifyer or a technician is what i meant! sorry for the confusion


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6005 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 15):
it doesnt matter if your a certifyer or a technician is what i meant! sorry for the confusion

That certainly came out of left field. I never said anything to the contrary of what you have said.

Each country has its rules, and each company will add rules to that as well. It's just a thing of perspective.  Wink



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 16):
Each country has its rules, and each company will add rules to that as well. It's just a thing of perspective

Which will always be in conformaty to that of the Regulatory body  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6005 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 17):
Which will always be in conformaty to that of the Regulatory body

Comforming, maybe. I see it more as going above and beyond.



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User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 16):
That certainly came out of left field. I never said anything to the contrary of what you have said.

Each country has its rules, and each company will add rules to that as well. It's just a thing of perspective.

i know you didn't,
i was just saying.......as you had said the airline you worked for you could only ride brakes if you were at a certian level! i was just saying that at my airline we dont have to be!
sorry for any confusion!


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6005 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 19):
i was just saying that at my airline we dont have to be!

You didn't say that originally.

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 15):
it doesnt matter if your a certifyer or a technician is what i meant!

To me, seeing this after my quote is implying that what I had said is to the contrary of what you are saying, and then saying:

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 19):
sorry for any confusion!

This creates more confusion.


I hate going off topic, and what I'm about to say might sound a bit demeaning—and I don't mean it to be—but making clear, concise, non-conflicting sentences is what avoids confusion.



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User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2846 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 20):
You didn't say that originally.

yes i did

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 13):
we get company approval to ride brakes, pretty much anyone who wants to is aloud!



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 20):
To me, seeing this after my quote is implying that what I had said is to the contrary of what you are saying, and then saying:

nothing i said in reply 15 was to you, note the quote at the top, it was in reply to MEL's comment in reply 14!


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6005 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2843 times:

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 21):
nothing i said in reply 15 was to you, note the quote at the top, it was in reply to MEL's comment in reply 14!

You may not have thought so, but putting words "In response to" right before my quote, and then putting text under my quote, implies that it is indeed in reply to my quote.



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User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 22):
You may not have thought so, but putting words "In response to" right before my quote, and then putting text under my quote, implies that it is indeed in reply to my quote

it was in reply to your quote! but not to you! lol
get over it!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

Quit with the Clarification posts Folks  biggrin 
Lets talk on the topic.
Out here only Mx Personnell can Ride the brakes during towing provided they have been trained on the same.No Unlicenced personnell can operate the APU.
regds
MEL



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