Worldjet777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9128 times:
Question for those who know Operational Stats-
What is it costing an airline per hour to fly a DeHavilland DHC-8-201Q? What are the additional costs? Does anyone have a detailed report for this jet or a EMB-120? Curious
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worldjet777
Boeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9095 times:
Quoting Worldjet777 (Thread starter): What is it costing an airline per hour to fly a DeHavilland DHC-8-201Q? What are the additional costs? Does anyone have a detailed report for this jet or a EMB-120? Curious
Worldjet777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9057 times:
Thanks for the info!
Question- what is the difference between a direct and an indirect cost?
...And what is the cost of operation for a widebody like a A330-200?
Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 15102 posts, RR: 69 Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9055 times:
Quoting Worldjet777 (Reply 2): Question- what is the difference between a direct and an indirect cost?
In finance terms:
- Direct costs can be directly attributed to a cost center (say, a plane). Such as fuel.
- Indirect costs are still part of operating cost of the company but not directly attributed. Such as HR for crews. Needed to fly the plane but not "directly".
But it can be very much a matter of definition. If you account for crew costs by attributing the hours the crew works to an individual cost centre (say, a plane) crew costs are direct. If, however, you take crew costs as a whole (across your fleet) and don't attribute them to cost centres, instead making a lump sum towards your aggregate bottom line, the cost is indirect related to the the plane.
Confused yet? Now you can stop wondering why accountants are a bit weird
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Worldjet777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9041 times:
HaHa thanks, I seem to now have a better understanding!
Does anyone know the Direct Cost of operating a widebody like an A330-200?
TEBguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 255 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8992 times:
I recently came across Boeing's operating cost estimate for a BBJ2... I was suprised to see it was around 2k and change, IIRC.
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Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 15102 posts, RR: 69 Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8982 times:
A big part of accounting classes at uni was how to attribute indirect costs to cost centers. After all, management does want to know how much an individual plane costs in total.
To give you an idea how important this stuff can be, it has been said that MD made a loss on the DC-9/MD-80 program, but didn't know about it because of accounting practices. Indirect costs related to the program weren't attributed to it in a good way.
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Worldjet777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8902 times:
Narrowbodies would be awesome! Thanks for the info...I have been looking for a resource like this for a while! Do you have anything for small turboprops like the J31? Its all good...
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worldjet777
Worldjet777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8870 times:
I am now looking at the stats from another computer than I was a few days ago...and the pages are coming up blank...is the AVS site down?
thanks,
worldjet777
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 8514 posts, RR: 100 Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8768 times:
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 7): I'll be back later, I'll post narrowbodies if you guys want. Knock yourself out!
Please do. It would be interesting to compare the A319/73G as well as E190/CR9, etc. Pick your favorites!
Why is the a/c costs for a 742 so much higher than a 744??? It seems odd that a 742 has higher rentals than a 772. Typo??? But enjoying the info!
There. That's enough info for a lifetime. What a gold mine! There is so many things to take into consideration, from fleet size and economy of scale, to the type of operations each airline flies it's aircraft, it's nuts. It all comes down to the operator, and I don't mean the pilots!!
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edit: No info one the E190 available as it only recently had it's EIS.
[Edited 2006-01-07 19:47:04]
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Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 8514 posts, RR: 100 Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8668 times:
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 11):
edit: No info one the E190 available as it only recently had it's EIS.
Worldjet777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8578 times:
Thanks so much for all the info! This is great info- just what I was looking for!
Worldjet777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 years 2 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8174 times:
Does anyone have the op cost's of the 773/A340?
thanks,
wj777
Worldjet777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7316 times:
How about the L1011 TriStar 500...any info on that?
Cheers,
wj777
USAFokie From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 14 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7274 times:
USAFokie From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 14 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7273 times:
Quoting Worldjet777 (Reply 17): How about the L1011 TriStar 500...any info on that?
Meant to mention that the L1011-500 is the very last aircraft listed in the pdf file that I linked to above ^^^
Worldjet777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7264 times:
That is one great chart! I am wondering, since it is updates as of 2000, whether or not the fuel is still at that price, or at least just in the ballpark? For instance, in 2000 the L1011 Tristar 500 cost $1112.00/ hr in fuel. Is this realistic? Thanks for the info!
Cheers,
wj777
USAFokie From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 14 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7234 times:
Quoting Worldjet777 (Reply 20): That is one great chart! I am wondering, since it is updates as of 2000, whether or not the fuel is still at that price, or at least just in the ballpark? For instance, in 2000 the L1011 Tristar 500 cost $1112.00/ hr in fuel. Is this realistic? Thanks for the info!
You are right - fuel has probably gone up. By how much? I don't know exactly. Perhaps if you study the charts from the other link (with the airlines), you might be able to get some sort of increase percentage. That would definitely take some time and careful consideration of the numbers, maybe more than you (definitely me!) would like to do.
It has current fuel prices at airports. But, if you are trying to get an idea of what airlines pay, they will be paying a lot less than the "street" price for fuel. I don't know exactly what you are trying to find out. But, maybe that site can give you some idea (since the reference sheet has fuel consumption per hour).
Worldjet777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6683 times:
Sorry I know this post is old (But its got great info!) And I am still wondering about the base/hr costs of a J31 and what that analysis includes...
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wj777
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What a gold mine! There is so many things to take into consideration, from fleet size and economy of scale, to the type of operations each airline flies it's aircraft, it's nuts. It all comes down to the operator, and I don't mean the pilots!! 
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