Worldjet777 From United States, joined Oct 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5651 times:
Question for those who know Operational Stats-
What is it costing an airline per hour to fly a DeHavilland DHC-8-201Q? What are the additional costs? Does anyone have a detailed report for this jet or a EMB-120? Curious
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worldjet777
Boeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 5608 times:
Quoting Worldjet777 (Thread starter): What is it costing an airline per hour to fly a DeHavilland DHC-8-201Q? What are the additional costs? Does anyone have a detailed report for this jet or a EMB-120? Curious
Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 13580 posts, RR: 68 Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5568 times:
Quoting Worldjet777 (Reply 2): Question- what is the difference between a direct and an indirect cost?
In finance terms:
- Direct costs can be directly attributed to a cost center (say, a plane). Such as fuel.
- Indirect costs are still part of operating cost of the company but not directly attributed. Such as HR for crews. Needed to fly the plane but not "directly".
But it can be very much a matter of definition. If you account for crew costs by attributing the hours the crew works to an individual cost centre (say, a plane) crew costs are direct. If, however, you take crew costs as a whole (across your fleet) and don't attribute them to cost centres, instead making a lump sum towards your aggregate bottom line, the cost is indirect related to the the plane.
Confused yet? Now you can stop wondering why accountants are a bit weird
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Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 13580 posts, RR: 68 Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5495 times:
A big part of accounting classes at uni was how to attribute indirect costs to cost centers. After all, management does want to know how much an individual plane costs in total.
To give you an idea how important this stuff can be, it has been said that MD made a loss on the DC-9/MD-80 program, but didn't know about it because of accounting practices. Indirect costs related to the program weren't attributed to it in a good way.
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Worldjet777 From United States, joined Oct 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5415 times:
Narrowbodies would be awesome! Thanks for the info...I have been looking for a resource like this for a while! Do you have anything for small turboprops like the J31? Its all good...
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worldjet777
Worldjet777 From United States, joined Oct 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5383 times:
I am now looking at the stats from another computer than I was a few days ago...and the pages are coming up blank...is the AVS site down?
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worldjet777
Lightsaber From United States, joined Jan 2005, 5130 posts, RR: 85 Reply 10, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5281 times:
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 7): I'll be back later, I'll post narrowbodies if you guys want. Knock yourself out!
Please do. It would be interesting to compare the A319/73G as well as E190/CR9, etc. Pick your favorites!
Why is the a/c costs for a 742 so much higher than a 744??? It seems odd that a 742 has higher rentals than a 772. Typo??? But enjoying the info!
There. That's enough info for a lifetime. What a gold mine! There is so many things to take into consideration, from fleet size and economy of scale, to the type of operations each airline flies it's aircraft, it's nuts. It all comes down to the operator, and I don't mean the pilots!!
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edit: No info one the E190 available as it only recently had it's EIS.
[Edited 2006-01-07 19:47:04]
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Lightsaber From United States, joined Jan 2005, 5130 posts, RR: 85 Reply 12, posted (3 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5181 times:
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 11):
edit: No info one the E190 available as it only recently had it's EIS.
Worldjet777 From United States, joined Oct 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3777 times:
That is one great chart! I am wondering, since it is updates as of 2000, whether or not the fuel is still at that price, or at least just in the ballpark? For instance, in 2000 the L1011 Tristar 500 cost $1112.00/ hr in fuel. Is this realistic? Thanks for the info!
Cheers,
wj777
USAFokie From United States, joined Feb 2006, 14 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3747 times:
Quoting Worldjet777 (Reply 20): That is one great chart! I am wondering, since it is updates as of 2000, whether or not the fuel is still at that price, or at least just in the ballpark? For instance, in 2000 the L1011 Tristar 500 cost $1112.00/ hr in fuel. Is this realistic? Thanks for the info!
You are right - fuel has probably gone up. By how much? I don't know exactly. Perhaps if you study the charts from the other link (with the airlines), you might be able to get some sort of increase percentage. That would definitely take some time and careful consideration of the numbers, maybe more than you (definitely me!) would like to do.
It has current fuel prices at airports. But, if you are trying to get an idea of what airlines pay, they will be paying a lot less than the "street" price for fuel. I don't know exactly what you are trying to find out. But, maybe that site can give you some idea (since the reference sheet has fuel consumption per hour).
Worldjet777 From United States, joined Oct 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 4 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3196 times:
Sorry I know this post is old (But its got great info!) And I am still wondering about the base/hr costs of a J31 and what that analysis includes...
Cheers,
wj777
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What a gold mine! There is so many things to take into consideration, from fleet size and economy of scale, to the type of operations each airline flies it's aircraft, it's nuts. It all comes down to the operator, and I don't mean the pilots!! 
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