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What's This On The Wingtip Of An HP 752?  
User currently offlineTupolevTu154 From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 2185 posts, RR: 27
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7194 times:

Hey

I saw this picture recently and noticed something odd about the wingtip.


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As you can see there is a large... pod of somesort on the trailing edge.

I've had a brief look at other photos and can't see anything farmiliar, all other 752 wingtips just look normal


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Anybody got any ideas or knowledge as to what it might be? Is it something to do with the recent ETOPS proving?

Thanks

Tom  Cool


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User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17044 posts, RR: 66
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7150 times:

Chemtrail dispenser!!!!!
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User currently offlineBri2k1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 988 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7149 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
Chemtrail dispenser!!!!!

ROFL! I was going to say RATO, but I bet you're right!



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User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7150 times:

fuel dump valve .


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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7136 times:

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 3):
fuel dump valve .

arent they further inward.. i would guess its some sort of static discharger



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User currently offlineBroke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7133 times:

It looks like a logo light fairing to me.

User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7117 times:

Quoting Cancidas (Reply 3):
fuel dump valve

B757 do not have fuel dump.

Quoting Broke (Reply 5):
It looks like a logo light fairing to me

The B757 logo lights are on the horizontal stabiliser.

I have no idea what this is.


User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7112 times:

Its some kind of light, look at the end of it.


Dan



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User currently offlineUpstateDave From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

That "thing" is on most early build 75s. The later builds like the UPS depicted have a light assembly similar to the 73. Please not that the thing is exagerated in the HP pic as a wide angle lense was used.

[Edited 2006-01-03 16:24:21]


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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6738 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7068 times:

Having had a look through the db it seems to be a feature of HP machines, even being fitted to aircraft that didn't have it originally.


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User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1286 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7057 times:

Hey, HP just used to use their aircraft to Hawaii on ETOPS routes, so this antenna was added,because of extra requirements when flying ETOPS.

Cheers Leo



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User currently offlineAmericanairfan From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 408 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7055 times:

Quoting UpstateDave (Reply 8):
Please not that the thing is exaggerated in the HP pic as a wide angle lens was used.

I looked at other pictures of that N number and it seems as though the feature isn't very off in that wide angle lens than any other picture. Very interesting find I had wondered the same thing myself.



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User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1286 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7040 times:

If you read the comment on the picture it seas how this is the first HP proving ETOPS flight, to approve for Hawaii flights. Onboard are FAA officials etc. so for 100% this is a ETOPS antenna for the 757-200.


Cheers Leo



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7003 times:

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 12):
ETOPS antenna

I never knew there was such a thing as an ETOPS antenna, is it for the HF band?


User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6976 times:

Quoting UpstateDave (Reply 8):
That "thing" is on most early build 75s.

It wasn't on the BA B757's that were sold to DHL, and we were (with Eastern) the launch customer.


User currently offlineUpstateDave From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6901 times:

I concede i am incorrect about late model thing, but i could have sworn i had seen the same thing on a NWA plane but the db would tend to argue this with me.

But check this:

Its a US Airways 757 wingview. It has the same thing as HP:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/910722/L/

It appears to be lights on the inside of it. and this next picture clearly shows it as a logo light. As u can see it shining and the tail being illuminated w/o having any lights on the elevator.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/88963

Now look at this continental:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/967799/L/

The continental a/c is also ETOPS certified and does not have such things. Plus if u check the database, HP's 75s have always had these, even b4 etops.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6879 times:

It the logo light mount....


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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6869 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 16):
It the logo light mount

It definitely looks like one, but why fit them when B757 have tail mounted logo lights as standard?


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6844 times:

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 17):
It definitely looks like one, but why fit them when B757 have tail mounted logo lights as standard?

Your assuming it's standard on the tail. None of the pictures I've seen on A.net show a logo light on the horizontal... only on the wing tip.
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User currently offlineCALPilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 998 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6811 times:

For gosh sake its the Logo light.

EAL did not get them back in the 80's.


User currently offlinePurdueAv2003 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 251 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6748 times:

It is the rear facing position light.


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User currently offlinePhoenixX2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6685 times:

The pic is of HP A/C 909, those are after market HF ant. on either wing (duels) for ETOPS, unlike CO 757s (delivered as factory ETOPs).

Rgds


User currently offlineUpstateDave From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6628 times:

Quoting PhoenixX2 (Reply 21):
The pic is of HP A/C 909, those are after market HF ant. on either wing (duels) for ETOPS, unlike CO 757s (delivered as factory ETOPs).

Rgds

Then why does the db show it as always being a part of HP a/c well b4 the ETOPs flights?



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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 33
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6614 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 18):
None of the pictures I've seen on A.net show a logo light on the horizontal

Well you won't see it on your picture. There are two lights on each side, they are recessed into the TOP of the horizontal stabilisor so they shine upwards onto the vertical fin. You need to look down on the tailplane to see them.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6589 times:

Looks like the White Position & Navigation Tail light.
regds
MEL



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25 EA CO AS : It's a logo light. It's an ETOPS antenna. It's a food processor. It's a high-speed cable modem. It's an official Red Ryder air rifle with a compass in
26 Post contains images Phxplanes : I have to say I dont think it has anything to due with etops because they have had them way before any talk of Hawaii came about. Also I fly HP all th
27 CX flyboy : I've not heard of any antenna needed for an ETOPS flight....and I do ETOPs all the time! Surely all 757s have HF comms as standard?
28 PurdueAv2003 : For those that want a reference, IPC 33-43-01, Fig 01 illustrates the part. It is a rear facing position light.
29 Nonfirm : the aft section is the position light the inbd light is a logo light.
30 Post contains images Crosswind : As well as America West's 757s you will also see it on some US Airways' 757s, the ex-Eastern ones, however it appears that US Airways' new-build 757s
31 Wagz : I'm pretty sure this was a feature common to only the Eastern 757s, as I've never seen it anywhere else. As mentioned already, the older US 757s hall
32 Post contains images HAWK21M : regds MEL
33 Post contains images Crosswind : Only 4 America West 757s are ex-Eastern, 6 more are ex-Republic (via Northwest) and 3 were delivered new from Boeing - however all have the wingtip f
34 Nonfirm : [img]http://www.airliners.net/open.file/834252/L/[img] i do not know if the picture is going to work but here is another example of this type of light
35 Post contains links and images HAWK21M : View Large View MediumPhoto © Matthew Wallman Helping Nofirm with the pic. regds MEL
36 Post contains images Nonfirm : Thanks for the help
37 TropicBird : I know for a fact it is a logo light.
38 Post contains links and images 777236ER : PH-DBB View Large View MediumPhoto © Maartenw No wingtip fairing. View Large View MediumPhoto © Bjorn van der Velpen Logolight! Assuming the
39 Nonfirm : from what i understand the light was moved from the wingtip to the stab due to the amount of motion on the wingtip.they were changing lamps to often.
40 HAWK21M : Thats one problem on the B737 Classics too.Either the Lamp Would need replacement or the Focus would vary.Added Wing Flex on grd would cause the Ligh
41 Post contains images MX757 : Give that man a fish! It is a logo light!
42 Molykote : For 100% you have no idea what you are talking about. And wasted 2 posts in the process.
43 Tristarsteve : What on earth is an ETOPS antenna? I must admit I don't know what it is. On all the B757 I work on (BA, El Al, Icelandair, and others I see Britannia
44 Danman : Never seen a 747 then ? 99% after market Logo Lights with the included position light.
45 Tristarsteve : Yes I know the B747-200 had antennas on the wing tips, but that was a long time ago, the fuel tank was not out to the tip, and it was built in on the
46 Avioniker : Go ahead and imagine it. There are a number of kits and STC's available to put the probe antennas on a variety of aircraft wings and wingtips. Boeing
47 AirframeAS : I worked on N786AS and I can confirm that is a logo light. All of HP's 752's are, indeed, logo lights and have nothing to do with ETOPS.
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