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Batmans Hm...aircraft. Would It Fly?  
User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

Hi folks,

was looking at a Batman movie a few days ago, and could not stop thinking about the shape and forms of his aircraft, or what I should call it.

Made me think about if this thing would actually fly considering the shape of the wings. Would they produce any lift?

I am looking at this from a tech. point of view, and I say it would not be able to fly due to the shape of the wings, but on the other hand, the fuselage itself would probably create a lot of lift so the wings does not need to take all the lift.

Just my theory. What's yours?

http://outnow.ch/Media/Img/1989/Batman/dvd.film/24.jpg?w=720&h=405
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User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2492 times:

Hello Sudden.

Quoting Sudden (Thread starter):
I am looking at this from a tech. point of view, and I say it would not be able to fly due to the shape of the wings



Quoting Sudden (Thread starter):
Just my theory. What's yours?

As long as the wings have a cross section profile that's shaped like an airfoil with the upper surface curved more that the lower surface ...... I think it would produce enough lift to fly .... especially if the fuselage is also shaped like an airfoil..... unless it just weighs to much!

It also looks like it wouldn't produce a lot of drag either, atleast the overall Form Drag and Parasite Drag would probably be low. I'm not sure what the drag would be like in the form of wing tip vortices?

If you're thinking that the wings are to thin to have a good enough airfoil design to produce lift .... just think of the F-104 Starfighter's wings.


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2469 times:
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With enough funding, I dare say you can make ANYthing fly.

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User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1765 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2424 times:
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Israel got an F-15 to not only fly, but fly controllably to a safe landing with ONE WING ... proof that if you push hard enough, with enough thrust, anything can fly ...

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User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3526 posts, RR: 66
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2390 times:

Quoting Mr Spaceman (Reply 1):
As long as the wings have a cross section profile that's shaped like an airfoil with the upper surface curved more that the lower surface

This isn't required, symmetrical airfoils (a favorite of aerobatic airplane designers) produce lift quite well.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 2):
With enough funding, I dare say you can make ANYthing fly.



Quoting Litz (Reply 3):
proof that if you push hard enough, with enough thrust, anything can fly ...

I agree, with enough thrust, anything will fly. It's only a question of how well.



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 41
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 2):
With enough funding, I dare say you can make ANYthing fly.

Does anyone remember that guy in England in the 70s or 80s who flew RC wheelbarrows?  Smile


User currently offlineMr Spaceman From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 2787 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

Hi guys.

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 4):
This isn't required, symmetrical airfoils (a favorite of aerobatic airplane designers) produce lift quite well.

>> OldAeroGuy, Thanks for pointing that out. I should have just mentioned that it would fly if it's wings were proper airfoils. But now David L has pointed out that's not nessesarily the case either.  scratchchin 

You can see the symmetrical airfoils on this aerobatic Sukhoi Su-26M2 airplane. The lower surface of it's wings look just as curved as the upper surface, if not more!


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Quoting David L (Reply 5):
Does anyone remember that guy in England in the 70s or 80s who flew RC wheelbarrows?

>> David L, I don't think I've seen the radio controlled flying wheelbarrows, but I do remember seeing video footage from back then of a guy flying around a RC Lawnmower! Now that was funny! Big grin

Here's a flying lawnmower on video in 2004! HaHaHa!

http://www.hugi.is/hahradi/bigboxes.php?box_id=51208&f_id=1159


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User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1571 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2039 times:

Batman doesnt need any other weird vehicles to to fly,appearently he prefers a Turkish A 320 for his travel needs.  Smile


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Check out the name of the airplane.



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User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

wats the old saying? you could make a barn door fly if you put big enough engines on it!

User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1765 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2025 times:
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It would be interesting, though, to see what today's computer models would make of that shape ...

- litz


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

The early Ettrich and Rumpler Tauben of the pre WW1 years had wings, which looked quite a bit like the Batplane's.

Jan


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2010 times:
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Quoting Litz (Reply 9):
It would be interesting, though, to see what today's computer models would make of that shape ...

It sure would. C'mon, AeroWeanie....show us what you can do!









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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 41
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

Quoting Mr Spaceman (Reply 6):
I don't think I've seen the radio controlled flying wheelbarrows, but I do remember seeing video footage from back then of a guy flying around a RC Lawnmower!

It's funny you should say that because I have a feeling he flew lawnmowers too nut I thought it would sound too ridiculous. It made me want to rip all my physics notes.  Smile


User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2556 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1943 times:

It would probably fly, but not very efficiently. Aerodynamically it is closer to Concorde than anything else ("Holy slender deltas, Batman"). The interaction between the twin vortices coming from the split leading edge, meeting somewhere near the cockpit, would be interesting.

If the batplane had a wing shaped like a bat it would fly quite well. Bats don't have any trouble flying. Unfortunately Batman appears to have styled his vehicles after his logo.



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