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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 5038 times:

What is the red "tape" for? and what do you call those things that the red tape is attached to? and what are those things for? I noticed that Airbus planes seem to have more of them.


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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 5010 times:

Not sure what teh tape is for, but the "things" are called flap fairings (also called "canoe" fairings)... They essentially make the equipment that moves the flaps more aerodynamic.

User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 5010 times:

The tape is on the flap track or flap actuator fairings. Often called "canoe fairings" because they form a body under and aft of the wing that resembles an aluminum canoe.

What the tape is for?

Don't know. Maybe the FAA is onboard. Always seems to result in a lot of red tape!

Someone from maintenance will show up with the answer for that.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 5000 times:

The red tape is most likely high visibility marking to assist ground crew who are operating equipment around the aircraft in avoiding contacting and damaging the fairings which are lower than the rest of the wing.

DL757Md



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6119 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4965 times:

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 3):
The red tape is most likely high visibility marking to assist ground crew who are operating equipment around the aircraft in avoiding contacting and damaging the fairings which are lower than the rest of the wing.

The closest thing that could get near touching it are catering trucks, and the fueler. Belt loaders usually don't go that high up on the fuselage.



Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun.
User currently offlineNonfirm From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 4):
Belt loaders usually don't go that high up on the fuselage.

but the do sometimes pass along the back of the flaps with the baggage carts


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6119 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4895 times:

Quoting Nonfirm (Reply 5):
but the do sometimes pass along the back of the flaps with the baggage carts

They aren't an issue with the A320. The carts can go right under the wing outboard of the engine. Also, belt loaders don't tow baggage carts, as that's the tug's job. The belt loader is to be kept at it's lowest position until the driver positions it at the cargo door.

Now, the 737, and MD-80, yeah, that would be of concern.



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User currently offlineSfomb67 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

It appears it's a reflective tape, to seen at nite, but usually the flaps are retracted at the terminal area, so it wouldn't be too visible. What airline is this?


Not as easy as originally perceived
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

Flap track Fairings.They give an Aerodynamic covering to the TE Flap mechanism on the Wing.
The Tape is a reflective tape that helps being noticed when light falls on it to avoid impact.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6965 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4836 times:

For the deicing guys maybe ?

Mandala499



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User currently offlineNonfirm From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 6):
as that's the tug's job

sorry there i meant to say the ground crew


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

Quoting Sfomb67 (Reply 7):
but usually the flaps are retracted at the terminal area

Normally the Trailing Edge cone area is covered red.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineDon81603 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
Don't know. Maybe the FAA is onboard. Always seems to result in a lot of red tape!

 groans 



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User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3188 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4718 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
Don't know. Maybe the FAA is onboard. Always seems to result in a lot of red tape!

The FAA does not mind cutting red tape as long as it is lengthwise.

Okie


User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4671 times:

It's a more affordable version of duct tape  Wink

User currently offlineGrandTheftAero From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 254 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

An interesting fact about flap track fairings is that in addition to reducing profile drag (as would be expected) they also reduce transonic wave drag by brining the area distribution of the aircraft closer to ideal.

Source: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/aerodynamics/q0240.shtml

--Shane


User currently offline320tech From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined May 2004, 491 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

The tape is reflective. It's intended to mark the flap fairings at night, so that pallet loaders don't hit the fairings. Belt loaders aren't as much of a concern, since the wings are relatively high. Does it happen anyway? Of course.

The bowser (fuelling truck) doesn't go behind the wing, so it's not for them. De-icers, I'm not sure where they park when doing A320's.



The primary function of the design engineer is to make things difficult for the manufacturer and impossible for the AME.
User currently offlineReidYYZ From Kyrgyzstan, joined Sep 2005, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4622 times:

Thier called vortex genera... sorry, right answer for the wrong "what's this?" question.

User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 4069 posts, RR: 33
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4594 times:

The red tape is an indication of the flap extension. The pilot can look out the pax window and see where the flaps are. This works because the flaps move mainly rearwards on a screwjack, while the canoe flap fairing is pivoted at the front and moves down. It must be there if there is a flap indication failure in the flight deck. I remember it long ago on TriStars, but have not seen it lately.
As a matter of interest if you look out the window of a TriStar (if you are lucky enough to be flying in one) you will see a small pin come out of the upper wing surface when the undercarriage is down. It is a manual indication. They don't have them nowadays, rely on duplicated sensors instaed.


User currently offline320tech From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined May 2004, 491 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4586 times:

The red tape is an indication of the flap extension. The pilot can look out the pax window and see where the flaps are.

Is the pilot standing on the wingtip when he does this? Because the tape goes all the way around. It's to prevent the fairings from being struck by vehicles on the ground.



The primary function of the design engineer is to make things difficult for the manufacturer and impossible for the AME.
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17174 posts, RR: 66
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 18):
As a matter of interest if you look out the window of a TriStar (if you are lucky enough to be flying in one) you will see a small pin come out of the upper wing surface when the undercarriage is down. It is a manual indication. They don't have them nowadays, rely on duplicated sensors instaed.

MD-11s have an equivalent little pin.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineReidYYZ From Kyrgyzstan, joined Sep 2005, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 4514 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 18):
The red tape is an indication of the flap extension

What you are talking about is can be seen here:

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The mark on the flap track support box is yellow marked "flap" and the # gradients are marked on the flap surface itself (not visible until flap deployed)
And

Quoting 320tech (Reply 16):
pallet loaders

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User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 4):
The closest thing that could get near touching it are catering trucks, and the fueler.


Fuelers and catering trucks have been known to impact flap track fairings.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 6):
They aren't an issue with the A320. The carts can go right under the wing outboard of the engine

This may be true with the flaps retracted, but it IS an issue when mtc has the flaps extended for whatever reason and ground personnel who are used to having the clearance you stated, drive under the wing only to experience a very rude awakening. I've seen it happen on the 757 which has a higher wing than the A320. The stripes ARE there for as a visibility aid for the ground crews.

DL757Md



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User currently offlineMX757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 628 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
Don't know. Maybe the FAA is onboard. Always seems to result in a lot of red tape!



Quoting Okie (Reply 13):
The FAA does not mind cutting red tape as long as it is lengthwise.



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 14):
It's a more affordable version of duct tape

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 22):
Fuelers and catering trucks have been known to impact flap track fairings.

The Door Frame is a particular target of Catering trucks.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
25 United787 : Thank you all for your answers to my questions.
26 Planefreakaa : The red tape is there so that the ground crews can see the canoe fairings when the flaps are lowered they are sometimes lowered for maintenance reason
27 AC320tech : Sorry for bringing up a dead thread. You have to look at on a Airline to Airline basis. AC uses Containerized cargo on the 320 and 321 with the LD-3-4
28 Post contains links and images 474218 : You are correct. The red tape is a warning for the cargo loaders. You will only notice it on the Right Hand flap fairings, because that is where the
29 HAWK21M : Interesting Point.Makes sense. Thanks. regds MEL
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