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Animals On The Runway  
User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3584 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

I am listening to YYZ ATC and it seems a Westjet 737 struck a rabbit on the runway. Tower is trying to move everyone over to a paralell runway so "field crews" can clean up the remains of bugs bunny.

How often does stuff like this happen at airports? Are animals getting hit by landing or taking off aircraft a problem. I know birds in the engines can be problematic.

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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4258 times:
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More often than you might think. Head on over to http://www.ntsb.gov, search the accident database using keyword "animal", and you'll get plenty of hits. No pun intended.




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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17198 posts, RR: 66
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

Rabbits aren't a huge threat to a plane. I jumpseated on an SK MD-81 once and the plane landing before us reported a rabbit (probably a jackrabbit since it was ARN). Rabbits get in the darnedest places so it's probably pretty common.

Larger animals like moose, deer and so forth are worse.



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User currently offlineTheCoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4243 times:

I saw a coyote on the runway while taking off once. It happens sometimes at Scottsdale Airport.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4244 times:

At Bom.There is a very serious issue of Dogs on the Tarmac.However they seem to be quite smart & know when to move from the Taxitrack when an Aircraft taxies by.
There were a few occasions when the Runway was occupied by a dog which caused a Go around.Since one occasion was a VIP aircraft,things started getting cleaned up,but lasted only a few months  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1575 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4231 times:

There is actually a deliberately created habitats near the runways in some airports.Wild birds to hunt other birds and the rabbits for example.

But in some less orginised places its not uncommon to see dogs in and around the airfields.I personally experinced a Goaround at Tamanraset airport at Algeria from almost 20 feet because of a group of dogs in the runway,in 2003.

Another one also from Algeria,after we taxi in to the apron we were assigned the pos no 5 but there are 3 dogs were resting on the yellow line leading to no 5.So we stopped but the dog was not interested to move like it owned the place.As we understand that it will take a while the ground staff to remove the dog and the dog has no intension of moving we accepted the defeat and turned back to park to next place no 4.

After the engines stopped I looked to the dog as it was walking like "the king of the world" after all it forced a huge passenger jet out of its terriority..

Finally a joke I heard about animals in runways.

The vacating aircraft reports a dead rabbit on the runway to the tower.
TWR:Delta 123 there is a dead animal reported on the runway
Delta123: Roger we will notify our caterers.  Smile



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User currently offlineVzlet From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

From an article on deer-control efforts at Little Rock AFB:

"The C-130 fleet experienced eight deer strikes between 1977 and 1998, costing over $52,000. That didn’t seem too bad, but three of those strikes occurred at Little Rock AFB. One was in 1993 and two in 1998, for a total cost of $23,000, not including loss of those aircraft during downtime. We also
investigated strikes by other, smaller aircraft of the type that often transit our field. We found Class B and C reports on C-12, T-37, T-38, F-16 and C-21 aircraft. The strikes included Coyote, wild pig and deer, with damage ranging from none to as high as $482,513."

I've also heard that a Pakistani F-16 was written off as a result of a collision with a wild pig on the runway.



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4190 times:
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Quoting Wing (Reply 5):
After the engines stopped I looked to the dog as it was walking like "the king of the world" after all it forced a huge passenger jet out of its terriority..

Heh heh....well, he certainly proved his point.




Quoting Vzlet (Reply 6):
The C-130 fleet experienced eight deer strikes between 1977 and 1998, costing over $52,000. That didn’t seem too bad, but three of those strikes occurred at Little Rock AFB. One was in 1993 and two in 1998, for a total cost of $23,000

Excluding that $23,000 C-130 repair, the average deer strike repair on the remaining C-130s comes out to $4143. Not bad, considering the cost a deer strike can inflict upon a smaller, more fragile aircraft like a Cessna, Mooney, etc.




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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 7):
Quoting Wing (Reply 5):
After the engines stopped I looked to the dog as it was walking like "the king of the world" after all it forced a huge passenger jet out of its terriority..

Heh heh....well, he certainly proved his point.

Thats the best part....They never seem to run away.Just walk away slowly.
regds
MEL



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4178 times:
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Thats the best part....They never seem to run away.Just walk away slowly.

You know, I bet someone could do a study that proves an air horn STC would be a cost-effective modification.

 biggrin 




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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4172 times:



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 9):
You know, I bet someone could do a study that proves an air horn STC would be a cost-effective modification

Wont be surprising if you see the Dogs then equipped with Ear plugs.  biggrin 
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineFreakyDeaky From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4138 times:

Although I've had a few encounters with animals on the airport grounds - I've ony hit birds in the air. I've always managed to swerve enough, or hit the brakes while on the ground to miss the ground based ones. In the air, collision avoidance is all up to them.

I've swerved on landing rollout to miss a turtle that was ambling across the centerline, delayed a takeoff for a waddling goup of ducks to traverse the runway, slammed the brakes on a high-speed turnoff to miss a small mammal that ran in front of me. Years ago while in my turboprop, I had a couple dogs that appeared to be on a "roadtrip" approach us as we held in position for takeoff. I couldn't believe that they would just keep approaching the propellers, so I put them in reverse just enough to blow some air forward on them to scare them away. I've had many incidents of "Kildeer" birds acting "injured" to lead me away from their nests (somewhere in the grass between taxiways). That's probably the most endearing thing I've seen because those birds are brave if they think to take on an airplane to save their young.

I've had many bird strikes in the air - one that took out an engine on rotation. Once there was an unfortunate bird strike on my windscreen - bird parts spread out all over the surface to the point where I really couldn't see through it. I'm glad it was at night so I didn't have to actually see the smeared stuff. Ick.

So, I would say seeing animials on the airport is as common as seeing them on the roadside. It happens from time to time.



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17198 posts, RR: 66
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4080 times:

Quoting FreakyDeaky (Reply 11):
In the air, collision avoidance is all up to them.

"Not so much a bird strike as an engine suck"



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User currently offlineFutureUApilot From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 4046 times:

I believe Bill Cosby's Gulfstream hit a dear after it's repairs here in ATW a while back. Don't remember any specifics though.

-You know your flying a Piper when a bird hits you from behind...  Wink

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User currently offlineGorbskow From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 4044 times:

I can remember seeing deer on the runway twice in my aviation career. The first time I was an instructor in a 152 and had been given a heads up on unicom that there were deer near the runway. I told my student to continue the approach but be ready for a go-around. As we approached the runway we could see 3 or 4 deer on the runway and my student executed a go-around. We came back around to land and they had already ran off the runway.

The other was in a lear 24. Basically as we neared the airport those deer were in a sprint for the woods about as fast as a deer can run. Not sure but if I had to guess the difference between the two occurences would have to be the noise was enough in the lear to scare them away.


User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 4037 times:

Quoting Gorbskow (Reply 14):

Your Lear 24 isn't exactly the quietest plane around  Wink


In my experience, I would say there is at least 1 animal strike a day at any decent sized airport. I've picked up countless birds, rabbits, even a nice turtle that was cracked in a few pieces.

While not exactly animals, the best I've seen are balloons. Due to the large amount of catered biz-jets at TEB, there would always be big mylar balloons floating around. One time a 172 landed after a training flight and had 4 or 5 helium balloons stuck on the Com1 antenna. I drove over as they were shutting down and they had no clue  Smile


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4029 times:

I almost hit a Coyote on the runway at LRU one day myself...

Also, once when I was flying as a safety pilot for a friend, while we were on final at PDX for runway 28R, at NIGHT mind you, I heard a loud "thump" when we were about 100' AGL. After we landed and taxied into Flightcraft, I inspected both leading edges of the 172. One of the inspection panels on the left wing had black feathers jammed into the panel and blood...I called the PDX tower from Flightcraft to report the birdstrike  Smile No damage at all from that one.



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User currently offlineTurnit56N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4025 times:

Deer in upper Michigan and Canada are plentiful at the smaller airports. At some quieter airports it's SOP to do a low pass to scare the deer off the runway before you land.

In Florida, the other place I frequently flew light aircraft, it's not uncommon to see turtles on the runway, but they're usually easy to avoid. Occasionally you'll see wild pigs, too....which I would really not want to run into with a light aircraft.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Also, there was the Learjet incedent in AST around late 2002, early 2003, where N546PA (IIRC) was totalled when it hit an Elk on runway 8 at AST. This was a Learjet 36A, if I remember correctly...I may have muddled some of the details like the tail number. Amazingly, everyone onboard escaped unhurt (the plane was on it's takeoff run and past V1) and the aircraft was almost completely consumed by the post-crash fire.

I just wonder if the game warden let them keep the road, err...runway kill after the accident  Wink



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User currently offlineTurnit56N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4019 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 18):
I just wonder if the game warden let them keep the road, err...runway kill after the accident

Actually, a friend of mine caught a deer with his Seneca's wingtip in MI. Luckily his airplane wasn't too badly damaged and he wasn't hurt even though the glancing impact slung him off the runway.

The DNR did indeed let him keep the venison.


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6972 posts, RR: 76
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3998 times:

1. Night landings + animals... not a nice thing...
A 732F last year hit 3 cows on landing in Banda Aceh... The cows were "resting" on the asphalt because of the residual heat left from the daytime... In comes the 737 and according to witneses (not the accident report) 1 missed the #2 engine and was swiped by the right main landing gear... one was swiped by the nose gear, and hurled onto the left main landing gear... and the other one ended up as corned beef after being ingested into the #1. Yucks. Left landing gear collapsed... But the aircraft was written off thanks to a screwup in moving the aircraft, causing wingspar damage.

2. Animal on runway and no reverse = can you manouver your aircraft?
F28, PK-MGK, flown by a friend of mine landing into Maumere Airport... after touchdown, a goat was on the runway, no reverse, no noise = goat stayed put until the nose gear split it to 3... MGK has since been called the "Merpati Goat Killer"...

3. Cows & Airport Security = Shoot to kill authorised.
In Sorong Mainland Airport (Now Sorong Domine Eduard Osok (WASS-new)), when an aircraft was circling above, the security and police had to run on motorbikes up and down the runway shooting to get the cows off the runway. Any cows that remain can be pushed off the runway by cars. Any cows too near the runway and/or returning to the runway when the aircraft is taking off or landing can be shot for safety reasons without compensation to the cow owners... One of the bizzare tales from the airport staff...

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User currently offlineSfomb67 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

I remember being at CDG about 15 years ago, taxing out to fly to GVA and seeing quite a few rabbits out between the taxiway and runway. Don't know if they're still around or not.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 20):
A 732F last year hit 3 cows on landing in Banda Aceh...

Wasn't this during Tsunami relief.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineDreamflight767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3934 times:
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Don't forget that there was an AF A-330 that hit a cow upon landing in Africa (Nigeria?) a few months ago. It caused some significant damage to the airplane.

User currently offlineAirKas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 4030 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

A F50 hit a pig while taking-off in ZIG, Senegal on january 8th.
The right main gear got all red and stuff. The pig didn't survive ofcourse.

I've got the photos, but I'm not sure I'm allowed to post (although I don't work at that company any more)


25 Post contains images Wing : Yes they are still there
26 Mandala499 : #4... Lizards and CFM56s... don't take your chances... I remember 2 years ago a Garuda 734 requested traffic info from tower and then requested to "ho
27 Post contains images Starlionblue : Well, maybe their descendants
28 AirIndiaOne : Exactly. And this hampered rescue operations and the runway was closed for over 24 hours.
29 Post contains images Wing : OK you've got me on that
30 Post contains images Msllsmith : While flying Cargo once (jumpseat) into DEN as we landed, the Cpt said,"Oh man, I think we hit a coyote.... did anyone else see it?" The chorus said,
31 Starlionblue : Hey rabbit does actually taste great. But I don't think I've ever had the "mangled by a plane variety".
32 Msllsmith : You've never lived until you've had Rabbit Tartar...... with a robust Red wine. (We may need ANCflyer here)
33 Turnit56N : Heehee....that's good. My friend did say his Runway Venison tasted good, but it should have considering it was the most expensive steak he'd ever eat
34 HAWK21M : Any Incident of a "Dog strike" in Aviation History. regds MEL
35 Post contains links and images Je89_w : In Dillingham Airfield (HDH/PHDH) on Oahu, Hawaii, a man crossed the runway while it was active. The airport is an uncontrolled airfield, used by glid
36 Post contains images Amtrosie : A friend of my father's, who flew dive bombers for the Marine Corps. off of Guadalcanal during WWII, tells the following story: Every morning he used
37 Post contains images HAWK21M : Surprisingly since last week the Dogs on the Tarmac have vanished.Guess someones been reading this thread. regds MEL
38 Starlionblue : I would stay away from the cafeteria for a few days...
39 Mandala499 : MEL, Dogstrike? Well we've had pilots deliberately throttling up during brakes in early morning to try and throw some dogs into the air... much to the
40 Post contains images HAWK21M : The Restraunts open at Night are all Vegetarian ones.I guess I'll go Veggie for a few Days Thats the only Time I notice them sprint,When the Exhaust
41 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Man, I'd hate to hit one of these... View Large View MediumPhoto © Erik Falkenström - Falkenström Photography 2H4
42 Mandala499 : MEL, If I am an animal, a Batavia 732 and a Merpati 732 had both scored hits on me on the apron *on purpose*... LOL, and also when friends are flying
43 Post contains images HAWK21M : As long as there are no pranks with the Weather radar. regds MEL
44 Mandala499 : MEL, That's a definite ouch ! I used to pull those pranks on goats using laser range finders... those "cadet" days were fun! Bwahahahaha... *which bri
45 Andz : I remember back in the early 70s at Kariba, the Rhodesian army had to go out and chase elephants off the runway so that an Air Rhodesia Viscount could
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