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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

HI guys and gals

I hope this is the right forum to post in but anyway, i often hear people on here saying "yeh there real comfortable they have 38" seat pitch" so what is it? where do you measure the distance? etc
so any ideas guys and gals?

Many thanks

Rgds --James--


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User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

The distance between the same point on two seats. It is common to use one of the seat track attachment points as the reference point for the chairs. If one seat has the front left seat track attachment point at station 500 (assuming stations measured in inches) and the seat behind has the front left seat track attachment point at station 531, you have a seat pitch of 31".

Cheers,
Fred



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Thread starter):
where do you measure the distance?

Fred beat me to it.

The other way I gotten the spacing correct when doing re-configs on Metros, would be to count out the number of "spaces" in the coin-track the seats mount to, and then make sure I had the same number of spaces between seats.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Over here We calculate from the Front seat mount position of the forward seat to the Front mount position of the rear seat.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

Quoting FredT (Reply 1):
The distance between the same point on two seats. It is common to use one of the seat track attachment points as the reference point for the chairs. If one seat has the front left seat track attachment point at station 500 (assuming stations measured in inches) and the seat behind has the front left seat track attachment point at station 531, you have a seat pitch of 31".

so that means that seat pitch isnt an accurate measure of legroom.....you could have a seat pitch of 31" and 38" and still have the same legroom because the overall seat size of the 38" pitch is bigger.....if you see what i mean!.........the seats can be mounted 38" from each other, but if the seats bigger, it'll be closer to the one in front!


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

The Weight and Balance Manuals traditionally show you to measure from the front face of the front seat leg to the front face of the seat leg of the next seat leg.


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User currently offlineWhiskeyflyer From Ireland, joined May 2002, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

on a standard seat rail there are holes, to mount the seat bases. The distance between the mid point of each hole is one inch (so if flying a carrier that has not out the seat rail track covers in place properly, you can count holes, if your are so inclined or bored)

User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2054 times:

Quoting Matt72033 (Reply 4):
the seats can be mounted 38" from each other, but if the seats bigger, it'll be closer to the one in front!

Correct, but as it is the distance between the the front of your seat back to the seat back in front of you that matters, when it comes to the crucial leg room, it is really only the thickness of the seat backs which has any effect. That does not tend to vary much.

There was that Italian (?) seat manufacturer which tried to launch mesh style seats though. That would have added an inch or two of leg room for the same pitch! Nice IMO, I'm 6' and will never fly long-haul (or anywhere at all, preferably) in an aircraft configured to 29" pitch.

Cheers,
Fred



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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2052 times:

HI guys and gals


Thanks so much for clearing that one up for me but some of you are saying its seat back to seat back and some are saying its the runners so does it matter or is there a definite correct answer?

Rgds --James--



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User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Quoting FredT (Reply 7):
I'm 6' and will never fly long-haul (or anywhere at all, preferably) in an aircraft configured to 29" pitch.

knowhow you feel there! i'm 6ft4 and 38" pitch is just about comfertable! lol i flew BA economy from LHR to DFW not so long ago! that was hell!


User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 8):
Thanks so much for clearing that one up for me but some of you are saying its seat back to seat back and some are saying its the runners so does it matter or is there a definite correct answer?

If you read again, I think you will find that "some people" include me in both cases, and that there is actually no conflict at all between the statements.  Smile



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User currently offlineTu114 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 8):
Thanks so much for clearing that one up for me but some of you are saying its seat back to seat back and some are saying its the runners so does it matter or is there a definite correct answer?

It's irrelevant. Assuming the two seats are identical then the distance between the same point on each seat will be the same.


User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2577 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Quoting FredT (Reply 7):
Correct, but as it is the distance between the the front of your seat back to the seat back in front of you that matters, when it comes to the crucial leg room, it is really only the thickness of the seat backs which has any effect. That does not tend to vary much.

On charter airlines you'll find you have a much thinner, harder seat so they give you just enough legroom on minimal pitch. Also the seats are narrower, so you might get 2-4-2 seating on a 767. One reason I would never fly long haul on an inclusive tour airline. I'd prefer to pay more and fly scheduled. I flew from the UK to Turkey on holiday in an Excel 767 last year, four hours jammed into a tiny, hard seat. Awful. And the same to look forward to on the way back.  boxedin 

Just as important is how high the bottom of the seat in front of you is, and whether there is any IFE equipment there. That affects whether you can stretch your legs out. If there is a footrest fitted to the seat in front it will actually make this worse. Also putting anything in the seat pocket will limit your legroom.



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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Quoting Tu114 (Reply 11):
It's irrelevant. Assuming the two seats are identical then the distance between the same point on each seat will be the same.

Lol i realised that a while after i had posted and i personally classed my self a plonker.

Quoting FredT (Reply 10):
FredT


I agree with you now that i have gone back and read the posts again and drew a lil diagram to help my inferior brain understand.

Rgds --James--



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 8):
Thanks so much for clearing that one up for me but some of you are saying its seat back to seat back and some are saying its the runners so does it matter or is there a definite correct answer?

All I can tell you is what is in the manuals.. not a guess but fact. Seat leg to seat leg.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

A partially related question.Is the Dimensions of Seats build for a particular class of a particular model Aircraft standard or can it vary.
What Im trying to say Does the Pitch being similiar but the Seat base vary.
regds
MEL



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