Corey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 4 Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4006 times:
I'm working on my CPL now and was posed this scenario today. It combines all sorts of knowledge of weather, airspace, FAR's, as well as the commercial pilot privelages.
A man who owns his own aircraft, a VFR only 172, approaches you to fly him from KDAB to KGIF (Winter Haven). To save a ton of wording, you would be legal in this scenario to fly in terms of common vs. private carriage. The flight is to depart at 11am local time with with weather being overcast at 1200'.
For those without a JAX sectional, the flight blows directly across MCO's Class B. I assume when asked the question that they were referring to me personally, so assume the pilot is instrument rated (even though the plane is not).
So taking into all these factors: distance of flight, time(?), weather, cloud clearances, special VFR?, commerical priveleges, etc etc, is this a legal scenario for a certified Commerical Pilot?
Apparently a lot of people get tricked up, and I'm interested to know the answer
Tg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3991 times:
As far as I can see, you'll not be able to go special VFR through the MCO class B airspace because your aircraft is not qualified under FAR 91.205(d) (for IR flights) as is a requirement for conducting SVFR ops in accordance with 91.157b4(ii)
But without having the sectional at hand, I would belive its possible to legaly conduct the flight in class G airspace below 10000MSL in daylight. (I guess thats a limiting factor in FL)
You have your CPL with IR rating that alows you to carry pax on XC's more than 50 nm for compensation or hire.'
Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3979 times:
As long as you are in Class G below 1,200 AGL, all you need is 1 sm and clear of clouds. So, you could fly 1 ft below the overcast and be legal. Another thing to remember is that minimum altitude over a congested area is 1,000 ft. Since Orlando is at about 100 MSL, you could fly between 1,100 and 1,199 and be legal. It would be extremely stupid, but legal.
It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems with just potatoes.
Corey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3974 times:
So since the floor of the Class B is the surface, and the flight is "supposed" to transit this area, this flight would technically not be allowed to be flown unless you "go around" where the shelf is higher than 1200'.
I figured there would be more to the problem, or that it would have had a trick to it, but I guess not.
Gorbskow From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3963 times:
I dont see any problems with legally going. In Class B you only need 3sm and clear of clouds. This would allow you to stay above 1000 agl.
Quoting Tg 747-300 (Reply 1): As far as I can see, you'll not be able to go special VFR through the MCO class B airspace because your aircraft is not qualified under FAR 91.205(d) (for IR flights) as is a requirement for conducting SVFR ops in accordance with 91.157b4(ii)
Special VFR is an option since the flight would be conducted during the day, however I dont see much benefit for the Class B area since the visibility really isnt a factor.
I am not very familiar with the area you are talking about but I am assuming that the entire flight cannot be conducted within the Class B area. If this is the case then the cloud clearance requirements outside of the class B area is going to be a safety concern. Generally speaking you will be required to maintain 500 feet below the clouds (unless the remainder of the flight can be conducted in G below 1200 agl). If this is the case you will be making the flight at about 700 agl. Not my idea of fun! As best I can tell it would be a legal flight but not one that I would accept!