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Engine Start-up Durring De-icing!  
User currently offlineCYEGsTankers From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 245 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5974 times:

Has it happened in the past where on a cold morning the flight crew accidentally commence start-up while ground crews are still de-icing?

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User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5969 times:

I know it has, because I've heard of deicing crews being injured (and killed) when hit by jet blast. I believe that its actually permissable under certain circumstances and allowed by some airports/airlines, but I never let it occur. Much too dangerous!!! Flight crews sometimes don't understand what its like to be in a wind blown boom lift, much less while an engine is running.

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5945 times:

Quoting CYEGsTankers (Thread starter):
Has it happened in the past where on a cold morning the flight crew accidentally commence start-up while ground crews are still de-icing?

How do you 'accidently' commence start up...?? It takes thought and action, so by no means is it an accident.



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User currently offlineFr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5489 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5936 times:

I don't see any de-icing in the referenced photo.


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User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

LOl....good point. I glanced over the 'accidentally' portion of that inquiry. Accidentally starting an engine .......hhhmmmmm......oxymoronic....??

User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1573 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5822 times:

Quoting CYEGsTankers (Thread starter):
Has it happened in the past where on a cold morning the flight crew accidentally commence start-up while ground crews are still de-icing?

Airplane engines start in a series of actions which can not occur accidently and keep continueing accidently.Besides these(engine starting,deicing of the aircraft) actions are done with the control and confirmation of the flight crew so there is no chance of anybody spraying the airplane without the knowledge of captain.So what I can say is the chances of the incident you are asking is pretty low.

To add something there is no evidence of deicing on the picture of above its only a normal reaction of the cold jet engine in a very cold weather.



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5689 times:
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They're aren't de-icing in this photo. The NW CFM-56's blow a lot of smoke when they have their first start of the morning in cold climates.


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User currently offlineGrbld From Netherlands, joined Dec 2005, 353 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5585 times:

Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 1):
I know it has, because I've heard of deicing crews being injured (and killed) when hit by jet blast. I believe that its actually permissable under certain circumstances and allowed by some airports/airlines, but I never let it occur. Much too dangerous!!! Flight crews sometimes don't understand what its like to be in a wind blown boom lift, much less while an engine is running.

Howdy Aogdesk, do you mean you won't give the clear signal for engine start during de-icing or you don't allow de-icing with running engines?


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 6):
They're aren't de-icing in this photo. The NW CFM-56's blow a lot of smoke when they have their first start of the morning in cold climates

Exactly.It looks like a Start up on a cold day.
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