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Is This Safe? YYZ  
User currently offlineKl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4284 times:

I got off work at 5:30pm EST and just as I walk outside, I saw a plane, a possible 737 flying soooo low, I don't recall seeing a plane flyin so low before and not even 30 secounds later there was another one behind it and they both were heading 090. I was just wondering if this is safe and was there a problem at YYZ today or delays. I live in Toronto. about 30kms from the airport


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17033 posts, RR: 67
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4278 times:

How low is "low"? Seriously, if you saw two aircraft flying on the same route at the same altitude it's very unlikely both were doing something wrong.


"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineKl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4275 times:

they were very low, like I said I see them all the time but this time it was very low. I was thinking maybe the first one missed it's approach and it have to do a round about but I was shock to see the 2nd one behind it


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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4220 times:

Maybe the second one was the "Feds". Did it have a flashing blue light?

User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 3):
Maybe the second one was the "Feds". Did it have a flashing blue light?

oh... you jest..



And now you know the real reason it's jetblue


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

If it was one low flying Aircraft...Maybe something abnormal.If Two were flying lower than normal,it could be that you just felt that way.
Was there any Distruption at the Airport at the time.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineKl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4056 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 5):
Was there any Distruption at the Airport at the time.

that is what I am trying to find out if there was a problem at YYZ.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 5):
it could be that you just felt that way.

nope being watching birds (planes) for long time and I know they look weird.



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

Quoting Kl692 (Reply 6):
nope being watching birds (planes) for long time and I know they look weird.

I have some sympathy. A few years ago a work colleague came back from lunch and told me she'd seen an airliner circling "low" over Edinburgh city centre and wondered if I knew why. I asked on the Civil Aviation forum and was inundated by responses from all corners of the globe, by people who've never even been to Edinburgh, telling me "it's normal".  sarcastic 

This colleague wasn't an avid enthusiast but she always noticed things like number and position of engines, colour scheme, etc., which most people don't, and she was besotted with Concorde. If she says it was "low", I believe her. Airliners do not "normally" circle low over Edinburgh! But, whatever the reason, it never became newsworthy.


User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 7):
If she says it was "low", I believe her

I've been told about similar circumstances... someone i know had one of the fulers ask if there was something wrong with the landing gear... as it was sitting rather low on one side... the engineer retorted back "You dont know what you're talking about... its fine". Later, the Engineer went back and checked... turned out it was outside its limits and needed topping up with nitrogen...

If you ignore the small voices enough... they'll come and bite you on the arse some day...

[Edited 2006-04-04 18:26:14]


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

Quoting Kl692 (Thread starter):
wondering if this is safe

Safe = not hitting the ground.

Unsafe = hitting the ground.

The best thing is that this test can be conducted with no prior training.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 8):
If you ignore the small voices enough... they'll come and bite you on the arse some day...

Fair point. The thing is, neither of us suggested there was any kind of emergency. We were just curious about something unusual but I still got my head chewed off!

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 9):
Safe = not hitting the ground.

Unsafe = hitting the ground.

I've made a note of that. Thanks.  Smile


User currently offlineKl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 3884 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 10):
Quoting SlamClick (Reply 9):
Safe = not hitting the ground.

Unsafe = hitting the ground.

I've made a note of that. Thanks.

me too



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

Glad you guys found my wisdom-born-of-experience useful.

Just a little disappointed to think that today's flight instructors neglect the basics like that.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 12):
Just a little disappointed to think that today's flight instructors neglect the basics like that.

 biggrin 


User currently offlineBri2k1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 988 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

I guess it depends on how you define safe. The FAA has certain minimum seperation criteria, and based on the description here, they were not exceeded. The FAA also has a good graphic available online to help see the difference between various aircraft when observed from a distance. A 747 and a C-172 appear to look exactly the same size when at different relative observation points. The observer on the ground must realize (as those in the sky have to accept) that their eyes might play tricks on them from time to time. It may have been abnormally close to the ground, but not as the result of an unsafe situation, or even an abnormal condition. Maybe a runway was closed at the last minute due to debris or wildlife, and both planes had to make the published missed approach course, which was unfamiliar to the observer. Maybe both planes suffered from low-level wind shear and nearly crashed. No amount of discussion on the Internet is likely to resolve it.


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User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 4):
oh... you jest..



And now you know the real reason it's jetblue

Looks like New York State Troopers. They have a purple hat band and tie  Wink

Oh yeah NY police don't use blue flashing lights, they use red  Smile


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 3108 times:

Quoting 777WT (Reply 15):
Oh yeah NY police don't use blue flashing lights, they use red

Wot-evuh.  Smile

But what about in Toronto?


User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1081 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 3020 times:
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We have red and white flashing lights  Smile

If this is when there were Tstorms in the area it is because they were using an unusual approach. (over YYZ then right and right for the 15 L/R ILS)



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User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 3009 times:

remember in die hard, when the bad guy drops the glideslope signal short of the runway and the british plane crashes....ill be you it was that  Wink


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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 17):
We have red and white flashing lights

OK, OK... a flashing red light.  boxedin   Smile


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17033 posts, RR: 67
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 18):
remember in die hard, when the bad guy drops the glideslope signal short of the runway and the british plane crashes....ill be you it was that

It was Irish  Wink And you knew it would crash because Chief O'Brien can't handle complex machinery. He only knows how to move the levers forward and back.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 20):

If only John Mclain had got the lights working in time  Smile

BTW. How low would be "LOW".
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1081 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2916 times:
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Quoting Bri2k1 (Reply 14):
he FAA also has a good graphic available online to help see the difference between various aircraft when observed from a distance.

Mind posting a link? I'd like to see that.

Joe



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 21):
How low would be "LOW".

"Really low".  biggrin  (I hate answers like that, too!)


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 21):
BTW. How low would be "LOW".

Anything above the ground is really low.

Anything under ground is too low.


25 Post contains links Bri2k1 : Sure. It's at http://www.faasafety.gov/notices/2004-Oct/21_A-C_visability_card.pdf
26 Kl692 : Sorry man, didn't mean to bubble you up. I can say is that it very low as I have said before I have seen planes at different flight levels but this t
27 Post contains images David L : I wasn't referring to your post. I mean I hate it when the conversation goes like this: "It was low" "How low?" "Really low" "You'll need to be more
28 HAWK21M : How was the Visability around that time. regds MEL
29 Kl692 : well it was a raining day and so the sky was a bit dark and as far as the height goes, let just say about 25 floor building. I don't tall that will b
30 Post contains images Bri2k1 : You weren't drinking when you saw these low-flying planes, were you? I'm just kidding. But, I'll say it again, sometimes our eyes play tricks. Think
31 Kl692 : I wish I was drunk, but drinking is not my thing though
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