Simtim From United States, joined Mar 2006, 46 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12053 times:
Greetings All,
The other day I was plane spotting at PHNL (Honolulu) and a China Airlines Boeing 747 came in to land. Up until this point I had thought their callsign was "China Air" or simply "China." However, I distinctly heard the pilot and controller use the callsign of "Dynasty." Therefore, when the plane became visible I was surprised to see the China Airlines livery. Can anyone else confirm this?
- Tim
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Tom12 From United Kingdom (Scotland), joined Dec 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 19 Reply 7, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11839 times:
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 6): always thought that was pretty much the coolest callsign out there.
Totally Agree
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Tom
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DBA (German British Airways) has been Speedway in comparison to speedbird.
Cool thing IMO. Anyway I don't know if they're still carrying this title cause there ain't no real German BA anymore.
Regards
jush
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Mir From United States, joined Jan 2004, 12990 posts, RR: 65 Reply 15, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11622 times:
Quoting Nudelhirsch (Reply 12): Now, there is not too much overlapping, but Springbok and Shamrock can sure sound very similar on radio...
I was spotting at JFK once and thought I heard "Shamrock" coming in. It turned out to be "Air Maroc".
Shamrock 111 and Air India 111 used to arrive at the same time at JFK, sometimes one would be following the other. The flights still arrive at the same times, but they're not both numbered 111 anymore (I think Aer Lingus uses Shamrock 11C as the radio callsign).
Deltamike172 From United States, joined Mar 2001, 67 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11598 times:
"Clipper" shouldn't be referred to in passed tense!
Pan Am 3, that charter company that flies into Pease, NH and Gary, IN and those weird places with 727s uses that callsign. The Callsign is PAAxxxx and they are called clipper on the radio.
Something that always confuses me is when people refer to these airlines with two letter identifiers. The only identifiers I know are the 3 letter ATC callsigns. That ATpub link will have all the informtion you'd ever need. There are some cute ones out there...
Two letter airline callsigns are confusing real life callsigns such as TNxxxxx and LNxxxxx (Tango November is part 135 air taxi for hire, Lifeguard November is any aircraft that needs priorety handeling for medical reasons). If I could wish for one thing on this forum, it would be the use of real ATC callsigns instead of the 2 letter ones. UAL instead of UA, FFT instead of F9, SWA instead of WN, etc. Well, i could think of some other things one could get rid of, but the entertainment value would go WAY down!
Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 13565 posts, RR: 68 Reply 18, posted (3 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 11586 times:
Quoting Deltamike172 (Reply 17): If I could wish for one thing on this forum, it would be the use of real ATC callsigns instead of the 2 letter ones. UAL instead of UA, FFT instead of F9, SWA instead of WN, etc. Well, i could think of some other things one could get rid of, but the entertainment value would go WAY down!
Well, two letter are just as real, but are IATA, not ICAO
Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 16): Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 6):
British Airways is Speedbird
I always thought that was pretty much the coolest callsign out there.
Funny, I always thought it was one of the cheesiest/lamest.
Love it. For the record it's inspired by the BOAC logo.
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Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 3445 posts, RR: 9 Reply 22, posted (3 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11419 times:
slightly off topic but I remembered this joke that used BA's callsign "speedbird"
"The German controllers at Frankfurt Airport were a short-tempered lot.
They not only expected you to know your parking location, but how to get there without any assistance from them. So it was with some amusement that we (PanAm 747) listened to the following exchange between Frankfurt ground and a British Airways 747 (radio call Speedbird 206) after landing.
Speedbird 206: "Good morning Frankfurt, Speedbird 206 clear of the active."
Ground: "Guten morgan, taxi to your gate."
The British Airways 747 pulls onto the main taxiway and stops.
Ground: "Speedbird, do you not know where you are going?"
Speedbird 206: "Stand by, ground, I'm looking up the gate location
now."
Ground (with typical German impatience): "Speedbird 206, have you never flown to Frankfurt before?"
Speedbird 206 (coolly): "Yes, in 1944. But I didn't stop.""
57AZ From United States, joined Nov 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 3 Reply 27, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11221 times:
Then there's the callsign that always gets the attention of the other pilots on the freq-Lifeguard. Lifeguard is the callsign used by air ambulances/med evac flights when carrying patients, transporting organs or enroute to pick up emergency cases. In the ATC hierarchy, Lifeguard flights have priority over everything except an aircraft with a declared emergency and may have to deviate suddenly if the patient takes a turn for the worse. I recall one TV documentary where a Lifeguard flight was operated from ANC to Siberia to pick up a critically burned child for transport to the Shriner's Hospital in CVG. The child's condition was so grave that both the Soviet and US governments gave the flight a waiver exempting it from clearing customs inspections so as not to delay the child's transport.
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KELPkid From United States, joined Nov 2005, 4129 posts, RR: 7 Reply 28, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 11201 times:
Hey,
I heard a new one on the scanner yesterday, "Willamette" (pronounced Will-Ahm-it for you non-Oregonians ). They were shooting practice approaches to several Willamette valley airports (appropriately enough)...anyone know how to find out who the callsign belongs to?
Thanks!
Brent
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Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 3445 posts, RR: 9 Reply 29, posted (3 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11144 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 28): I heard a new one on the scanner yesterday, "Willamette" (pronounced Will-Ahm-it for you non-Oregonians ). They were shooting practice approaches to several Willamette valley airports (appropriately enough)...anyone know how to find out who the callsign belongs to?
For most callsigns, airport codes, airline codes etc I use http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk/
however this Willamette is obviously a smaller operator so it isn't listed there..
Actually I struggled to find it anywhere.
Quoting Mir (Reply 5): All the callsigns you could ever want are in the 7340.1, available here: http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/
It's a huge file, but it's got everything. There's also www.airlinecodes.co.uk, which is less complete, but still is very comprehensive.
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 29): For most callsigns, airport codes, airline codes etc I use http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk/
however this Willamette is obviously a smaller operator so it isn't listed there..
Actually I struggled to find it anywhere.
Is anyone reading the thread or just posting away?
Quoting Mir (Reply 15): Shamrock 111 and Air India 111 used to arrive at the same time at JFK, sometimes one would be following the other.
On Monday, flying into BOS, I was on UA 744, and B6 444 was right behind us. (I was of course listening in on channel 9). The tower controller advised both pilots of this fact, since we evidently had been vectored in by different approach controllers. I guessed if there would be any confusion, it would be between those two flights, one mistaking an instruction meant for the other. I was surprised when a completely different aircraft with a completely different callsign and flight number mistook an instruction meant for us! I don't remember the other plane's call sign, but it was very different from ours or the B6 aircraft. Funny...
KELPkid From United States, joined Nov 2005, 4129 posts, RR: 7 Reply 34, posted (3 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11009 times:
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 29): however this Willamette is obviously a smaller operator so it isn't listed there..
Actually I struggled to find it anywhere
Upon close examination of the FAA document referenced above, it appears that small, regional operators can have a letter of agreement with a local ARTCC, approach facility, or tower that allows them to use a callsign...
[Edited 2006-04-20 01:28:11]
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 10659 posts, RR: 9 Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9758 times:
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 18): Quoting Deltamike172 (Reply 17):
If I could wish for one thing on this forum, it would be the use of real ATC callsigns instead of the 2 letter ones. UAL instead of UA, FFT instead of F9, SWA instead of WN, etc. Well, i could think of some other things one could get rid of, but the entertainment value would go WAY down!
Well, two letter are just as real, but are IATA, not ICAO
The 2-letter IATA codes are just as "real" as 3-letter ICAO codes but are used for different purposes. I think most A.net users can identify more easily with the 2-letter IATA codes which are used for reservations and ticketing, just like they're probably more familiar with 3-letter IATA airport/city codes (AMS/LHR/TLV).rather than 4-letter ICAO codes (EHAM/EGLL/LLGB). And why use one more letter than necessary? I find it easier to relate to Amsterdam as AMS rather than EHAM. Whenever I encounter an ICAO code I always have to look it up. I guess it depends on your area of involvement in the industry.
The IATA codes (airline and airport) also decode when you move your mouse over them, which the ICAO codes do not.
Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 13565 posts, RR: 68 Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9707 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 36): bably more familiar with 3-letter IATA airport/city codes (AMS/LHR/TLV).rather than 4-letter ICAO codes (EHAM/EGLL/LLGB). And why use one more letter than necessary? I find it easier to relate to Amsterdam as AMS rather than EHAM. Whenever I encounter an ICAO code I always have to look it up. I guess it depends on your area of involvement in the industry.
The extra letter is needed since a lot of airports don't get commercial service and there wouldn't be enough three letter combinations for them.
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411A From United States, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 1594 posts, RR: 8 Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9298 times:
Several rather interesting conversations heard at LAX, many years ago.
.........
"Los Angeles tower, good afternoon, Speedbird 591, at the outer marker."
LAX tower: "What kind of bird is at the outer marker?"
Speedbird 591:
That's a SPEEDBIRD 591 at the outer marker, we have come non-stop from London, and we would appreciate landing clearance on 25 left"
Tower: " Speedbird 591 is cleared to land, 25 left."
When waiting between the runways for crossing clearance, the tower asked...
"Speedbird 591, we have not seen you here before"
Speedbird 591: This is our first non-stop flight to Los Angeles.
........
When it's time for the airplane to return to London at 10pm it's...
"Good evening Los Angeles tower, Speedbird 592 is ready for departure."
Tower: "Good evening Speedbird 592, cleared for takeoff 25 left."
Speedbird 592: "Cleared for takeoff 25 left. Be advised we will have a very long takeoff roll"
Tower: "Understand 592, we'll be watching."
(592 used every bit of the 12,000 feet available. The airplane was a B707-436).
------
Years later, when B747's were first in use....
LAX ground: "Clipper One, can you expedite taxi?"
Clipper One: "Sorry, we can not, we are all new to this large airplane, and are still learning what all the levers and switches do."
LAX ground: "We understand Clipper One, we are still learning what all the switches do in the tower cab also."
Unknown voice: "Clipper would be hard pressed to find their backside, even if the lights were on.
David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8242 posts, RR: 40 Reply 44, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 9158 times:
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 18): Love it. For the record it's inspired by the BOAC logo.
Actually, the logo came via BOAC from Imperial Airways.
Yes, I know that reply is two years old but I also know the culprit poster is still around... even if his real name has transformed from Tauren Hunter (?) into Blood Elf Mage (from Neighbours).
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 36): The 2-letter IATA codes are just as "real" as 3-letter ICAO codes but are used for different purposes. I think most A.net users can identify more easily with the 2-letter IATA codes which are used for reservations and ticketing
Agreed. The 3-letter codes are less cryptic for non-US Airports.
Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 13565 posts, RR: 68 Reply 45, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9114 times:
Quoting David L (Reply 44):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 18):
Love it. For the record it's inspired by the BOAC logo.
Actually, the logo came via BOAC from Imperial Airways.
Yes, I know that reply is two years old but I also know the culprit poster is still around... even if his real name has transformed from Tauren Hunter (?) into Blood Elf Mage (from Neighbours).
I feel watched. And yes it was a Tauren Hunter. I don't play that toon so much nowadays.
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PGNCS From United States, joined Apr 2007, 1411 posts, RR: 10 Reply 46, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8941 times:
Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 16): Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 6):
British Airways is Speedbird
I always thought that was pretty much the coolest callsign out there.
Funny, I always thought it was one of the cheesiest/lamest.
I think you're going to be in the distinct minority on that one, but to each his own.
I used to hear "Night Cargo" as a call sign, and thought it was both the most descriptive and depressing call sign I had ever heard. I have no idea who the operator was.
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 49): ExpressJet (IATA: XE ) is "Jetlink"
BTA......could be Jetlincoln if you're flyin around Houston!
Or, Jeglagged in the pre-jet days when they were driving around some slug AT-42 or AT-72, but those E120's the kids flew the hell out of them! Then the jets came on the scene!
IAHFLYR From United States, joined Jun 2005, 3394 posts, RR: 37 Reply 53, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8734 times:
Quoting P3Orion (Reply 51): What is the story behind "Jetlincoln?" They do not have a good reputation at ORD
Goes way back to the morning IIRC in last 80's when they combined Britt Air and some others to form the BTA Jetlink call sign cuzz we had no advance information that the BTA wasn't going to Britt Air any longer, sounds like he said JetLincoln, so it stuck for a few of us.
They have a good reputation down in these parts.....sure you aren't getting them confused with some other CO Express folk?
ZuluAviator994 From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 506 posts, RR: 0 Reply 54, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8730 times:
Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 50): Quoting ZuluAviator994 (Reply 48):
Any Idea of who Jet-Lagged is?
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 49):
ExpressJet (IATA: XE ) is "Jetlink"
Or, Jeglagged in the pre-jet days when they were driving around some slug AT-42 or AT-72, but those E120's the kids flew the hell out of them! Then the jets came on the scene!
Okay, thanks, guess my hearing may not be the best sometimes
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P3Orion From United States, joined May 2006, 414 posts, RR: 2 Reply 55, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8732 times:
Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 53): They have a good reputation down in these parts.....sure you aren't getting them confused with some other CO Express folk?
Thanks for the story. No, it's BTA, CHQ is fine. They, BTA, have a nasty habit of stopping on the taxiway and leaving the freq. It backs everything up.
Sprout5199 From United States, joined Feb 2005, 1428 posts, RR: 1 Reply 56, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8678 times:
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 34): Upon close examination of the FAA document referenced above, it appears that small, regional operators can have a letter of agreement with a local ARTCC, approach facility, or tower that allows them to use a callsign...
At PBI, they have FPL 1 and 2 (corporate helicopters for Florida Power and Light, shuttling the CEO, and other high ups to work every morning), Sugar 1 & 2 for the big Sugar company here, And my favorite, Gator 1,2, and 3, for South Florida Water Management. Their "mascot" if Freddy the Gator:
DashTrash From United States, joined Aug 2006, 441 posts, RR: 2 Reply 57, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8649 times:
Quoting P3Orion (Reply 55): Thanks for the story. No, it's BTA, CHQ is fine. They, BTA, have a nasty habit of stopping on the taxiway and leaving the freq. It backs everything up.
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