MerlinIIIB From Norway, joined Aug 2005, 121 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6826 times:
According to the leading newspaper Aftenposten, a B737 owned by Ryanair made a successful zero flap landing at TRF (Torp, Sandefjord, Norway) today. The runway at TRF is approx. 8000 ft, surface was dry and winds calm.
How serious is a zero flap landing under these conditions?
BoeingOnFinal From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6749 times:
Hey, I live in Sandefjord, sorry I missed it then.
I guess it can't be too serious in terms of runway length with that small an airplane, because it's quite a long runway. I read on flightsim.no that once a 737-800 locked it's flaps at 15 degrees, caused a go-around and a hard landing, but nothing too seirous.
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6722 times:
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Quoting Raggi (Reply 2): Anyone have a rough figure for the Vref speed for a zero flap landing, in this case for a 738, or any other commercial a/c for that matter?
I only have data for the -700, but here you go:
737-700 Vref speeds (commonly) range from 125-135 knots. The procedure to land with flaps 1 or less with LEDs not fully extended (ie: totally clean wing) is to set Vref40 + 55 knots. That means your final Vref speed would likely be in the neighborhood of 180-190 knots.
I've flown no-flap landings in the sim, and it seemed very fast, but not as insane as the numbers might suggest.
AirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6614 times:
It's no big deal just use a lot of nose up trim to keep the airspeed from increasing and use a lot of power adjustments. At least that's how you do it with a 172 don't know what it's like in a 737. No flap landing becomes a problem with short runways because the airplane usually wants to float forever.
Barney Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1043 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6449 times:
Did a no TE flap landing in RNO several years back - it seems like the Ref speed was @175kts. This was in a -300 and we did have the LE devices, so that definitely helped. Landing was fairly straight forward (albeit fast), with a fairly nose high attitude. I never did learn why we couldn't get the flaps down. The alt flap system only got us the LE devices and nothing more - we had normal hyd pressure and everything else appeared normal. When we got to the gate, they worked perfectly. Weird.