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Zero Flap Landing At TRF Today (Ryanair)  
User currently offlineMerlinIIIB From Norway, joined Aug 2005, 121 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5657 times:

According to the leading newspaper Aftenposten, a B737 owned by Ryanair made a successful zero flap landing at TRF (Torp, Sandefjord, Norway) today. The runway at TRF is approx. 8000 ft, surface was dry and winds calm.

How serious is a zero flap landing under these conditions?

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User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5632 times:

Depends....are you landing without flaps because they're not deploying symetrically or have they departed the aircraft along with 2/3 of the wing structure?  Wink

User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 998 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5624 times:

Anyone have a rough figure for the Vref speed for a zero flap landing, in this case for a 738, or any other commercial a/c for that matter?



raggi



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User currently offlineBoeingOnFinal From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5580 times:

Hey, I live in Sandefjord, sorry I missed it then.

I guess it can't be too serious in terms of runway length with that small an airplane, because it's quite a long runway. I read on flightsim.no that once a 737-800 locked it's flaps at 15 degrees, caused a go-around and a hard landing, but nothing too seirous.



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User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

Air Transat Flight 236 landed with zero flaps, zero main brakes, zero thrust reversers, zero fuel. But it wasn't a 737, it was an A330. And the runway was longer, almost 11,000 feet.

[Edited 2006-05-16 23:56:19]

User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5553 times:
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Quoting Raggi (Reply 2):
Anyone have a rough figure for the Vref speed for a zero flap landing, in this case for a 738, or any other commercial a/c for that matter?

I only have data for the -700, but here you go:

737-700 Vref speeds (commonly) range from 125-135 knots. The procedure to land with flaps 1 or less with LEDs not fully extended (ie: totally clean wing) is to set Vref40 + 55 knots. That means your final Vref speed would likely be in the neighborhood of 180-190 knots.

I've flown no-flap landings in the sim, and it seemed very fast, but not as insane as the numbers might suggest.




2H4





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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5445 times:

It's no big deal just use a lot of nose up trim to keep the airspeed from increasing and use a lot of power adjustments. At least that's how you do it with a 172 don't know what it's like in a 737. No flap landing becomes a problem with short runways because the airplane usually wants to float forever.

User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6688 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5382 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 6):
No flap landing becomes a problem with short runways because the airplane usually wants to float forever.

Can't you use spoilers?? (if the plane's got them, that is)



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User currently offlineRaggi From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 998 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5382 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 5):

Ok, thanks a lot!

raggi



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User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5373 times:

The landing speed would be very high.


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User currently offlineBarney Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 926 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5280 times:

Did a no TE flap landing in RNO several years back - it seems like the Ref speed was @175kts. This was in a -300 and we did have the LE devices, so that definitely helped. Landing was fairly straight forward (albeit fast), with a fairly nose high attitude. I never did learn why we couldn't get the flaps down. The alt flap system only got us the LE devices and nothing more - we had normal hyd pressure and everything else appeared normal. When we got to the gate, they worked perfectly. Weird.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5269 times:

What was the reason.Technical.
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