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User currently offlineJulianUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2532 times:

Is there ever a time that you would, on a commercial airliner actually practice a go around for real? I assume because of how busy most airports are that there is no time or space for a training pilot to order the trainee to go around purely for practice sakes. However I would have thought that doing so would not only be good practice but would also keep air traffic on their toes as it would be an ideal opportunity for a new air traffic controller to experience a real life event - or is practising this always simulator based?

J

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User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2526 times:

Most places probably only practice them in the simulator. At my company we do one flight check in the middle of the night before IOE. Mostly pattern work, and normally a go-around is done once.


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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 1):
Most places probably only practice them in the simulator. At my company we do one flight check in the middle of the night before IOE. Mostly pattern work, and normally a go-around is done once.

Most airlines have a "zero flight time" simulator program where aircraft training isn't necessary. So any missed approaches/go arounds are conducted in the simulator. In addition every check I've ever had there was a requirement for a missed approach to be accomplished.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17055 posts, RR: 67
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

I saw an SK 340 do five touch and go circuits at MMX a few years back. I presume they weren't just out for a joyride.  Wink This was when SK had recently put the 340 in service.


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User currently offlineVuelingAirbus From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 113 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 2):
Most airlines have a "zero flight time" simulator program where aircraft training isn't necessary.

Lucky me... my company did on my MD and Airbus rating a base training. Empty aircraft, lots of fuel and 4 new guys and off you go to a not so busy airport and do tons of visual patterns, go arounds (even single engine) and touch and goes...


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

The bounces in the aircraft vs. simulator training is driven by one's experience. The "zero flight time" program is used by most airlines. However, there are experience requirements that vary from CAA to CAA. Personally, I've never done bounces in the aircraft, although I have, as an instructor, given them many times.

User currently offlineJspitfire From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 308 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2317 times:

Conair does their spring training in Abbotsford every year for the upcoming summer forest fire season, and they are always doing practice approaches and go arounds. I imagine this is because there are no simulators for these old aircraft, such as the CL-215, DC-6, CV-580, Firecats.

Jason


User currently offlineBa299 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

UK CAA prescribe for real flight for all new type rating. During these flight go-around and touch-and-go are performed.

User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

Quoting VuelingAirbus (Reply 4):
Lucky me... my company did on my MD and Airbus rating a base training. Empty aircraft...

Tell me about it! Although not in the aircraft, just 3 hours ago I was done, exhausted to say the least, a 5-hour sim session. Great this training is over, I'd go nuts if I do anymore abnormals.

5 go-arounds, hand-flown and single-engine make your leg HURT!

RM  Smile



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User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

In my old company (in Holland) new pilots had to do circuit training in the real thing including eight patterns, with various touch and go's and at least one go-around.

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