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Cost Of Building A Runway?  
User currently offlineNorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 484 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I'm curious to know how much it would cost to build a 6000 x 100 foot runway with basic lights and markings ? ( Center line lights and edge lights ) ( Center line, edge lines and touch down markings ) Can be either concrete or asphalt.

Thanks !


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting NorthwestEWR (Thread starter):
I'm curious to know how much it would cost to build a 6000 x 100 foot runway

If you build it yourself, the concrete would cost over a quarter million dollars and that's only for R/C airplanes.  Smile


User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2468 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

STL just finished last month a new 9,000 ft x 150 ft wide runway that cost
$1.1 Billion.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/new...C90018625714A0059591F?OpenDocument

This was talked about in the following thread:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...ion/read.main/2709534/6/#ID2709534



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User currently offlineMrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 938 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 3):
STL just finished last month a new 9,000 ft x 150 ft wide runway that cost
$1.1 Billion.

That is kind of an exception to the rule, I am assuming - that runway cost more than $1000/sq.ft. I've been told that the average price to build a runway is more in the line of $200-$500/sq.ft., depending on how much the land is to purchase, how much earthmoving is necessary, etc.



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User currently offlineContact_tower From Norway, joined Sep 2001, 536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

It all depends on what PCN number you require. That gives you what sort of ground preperation you need, given the conditions on site.
What kind of soil is it? Sand, gravel, peet bog etc.
Bulding a runway on allmost even ground made up of mostly sandy earth in a hot climate is cheap. Building the same one on boggy ground in sub arctic conditions is vastly more expensive!

With the first model you can get a way with just leveling the ground, compacting a layer of gravel on top, and lay the asphalt.
On the second one you have to remove maybe 20 feet of soil and replace it with blasted rock, corse gravel, fine gravel, sand, and THEN lay the asphalt.

There are runways, and there are runways......

(When they built the taxiways to from a HAS site at my airport, they removed 25 ft of boggy soil. It was VERY expensive)


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting NorthwestEWR (Thread starter):
I'm curious to know how much it would cost to build a 6000 x 100 foot runway with basic lights and markings ? ( Center line lights and edge lights ) ( Center line, edge lines and touch down markings ) Can be either concrete or asphalt.

What aircraft type??? I have an estimator and can give you a quick run on it.


User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 782 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Ladies and gentleman......9000ft x 170ft x 5years = $1.284 BILLION DOLLARS! That is the new 5th runway at the ATL airport that opened finally just several days ago.

From the Atlanta Journal Constitution:

Quote:
With the goal of curbing delays, the airport spent five years and $1.284 billion to build its new runway, the most expensive ever built in the United States.

The runway’s costs are mainly paid for through airport passenger fees included in the ticket price of every flight that travels through the airport along with $179 million from the federal government.

To celebrate the runway’s opening, the airport is throwing a party with country music bands and a 5K race on the runway itself — all before planes start landing on it, of course.

However, some experts say a lack of runways isn’t what’s delaying flights.

“We can build runways and we should. But 50 percent of the benefit of the runway is totally negated by the fact we have an air traffic control system that’s still back in the 1970s,” said Mike Boyd, an airline industry consultant based in Evergreen, Colo.

Boyd said larger problems are leading to air travel delays, and they are beyond one airport’s reach.

He said upgrading the U.S. air traffic control system’s equipment and getting more air traffic controllers in airport towers would have a much bigger impact.

And you still can’t ignore the weather. With Atlanta’s fifth runway, airlines will receive “a little more runway space — but you can’t control the weather,” said Theresa Downs, 59, of Tacoma, Wash., who was traveling through Atlanta earlier this month on a flight to Frankfurt, Germany.

The runway’s high price tag included $390 million to acquire 920 acres for it, leveling entire office parks, neighborhoods and churches in the process.

Another $160 million was spent on creating an 18-lane bridge and tunnel because the new runway intersects Interstate 285, the highway that loops around Atlanta’s perimeter. It took another $350 million just to flatten the land for the runway, DeCosta said.

The Federal Aviation Administration had to build an air traffic control tower tall enough for controllers to see the new runway and the rest of the airport, which is spread over more than seven square miles.

Control tower

The new $44.2 million tower is the third tallest in the world, behind airports in Bangkok, Thailand, and Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.



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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3760 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Building a runway is very expensive, but when you ask about the costs involved, you must be fair: Do you include the money spend on protection measures for the environment, like windows for houses which require noise protection because of legal standards? Do you include the money required for getting the legal approvement (expensive!)? Do you include the money required for the ILS installations?

All these things are very expensive, but have nothing to do with the runway pavement itself. Still, a runway is very expensive, because it must last for decades, must be resistant to heat, cold, and other environmental influences, and must be able to carry heavy planes. Especially the touchdown zone is under very hard pressure from landing planes.

Then you need special machines for building runways. These are very expensive, so they cost a lot to be operated. The materials used must be of very high quality, and the companies which use them have spent a lot of money on research, something which costs money, as well...

So as you see, there are lots of factors which are relevant when building a runway.


User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 8):
must be able to carry heavy planes

The OP didn't say that. I would assume he's talking about a private runway for small planes in an isolated location where there are no neighbors to worry about.

For light planes, I don't image it's very different from building a parking lot. It'll still cost millions, I guess, but certainly not billions.

Why can't you just figure the price based on a 6000' x 100' parking lot?


User currently offlineNorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

This is the dream.
300 acre ranch outside Austin, TX with a runway capable of handling the Dassualt Falcon 900 or similar. No ILS or PAPI just a landing strip no taxiways but a turnaround at each end of the runway.



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting NorthwestEWR (Reply 10):
This is the dream.
300 acre ranch outside Austin, TX with a runway capable of handling the Dassualt Falcon 900 or similar. No ILS or PAPI just a landing strip no taxiways but a turnaround at each end of the runway.

As the dreamer presumably own the ranch and the Falcon 900, it is also presumed that he would have the werewithal to hire a consultant for a proper conceptual and cost study first. The offer in Reply 6 may be availed of to come up with a ballpark figure for comparison purposes.



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User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The Falcon is pretty heavy. If you fly it to your private runway nearly empty and then fly to another nearby airport for fueling, you could shorten the runway and keep the requirements reasonable. Maybe less than a million, or a few millions. Depends on soil condtions, how far the materials have to be transported, and many other factors.

Here's an article about estimating the cost for a general aviation airport with planes up to 12,500 pounds.

http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/NR/rdonlyres...BCF52BFD41F9/0/ConstGuidelines.pdf


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting NorthwestEWR (Reply 10):
This is the dream.
300 acre ranch outside Austin, TX with a runway capable of handling the Dassualt Falcon 900 or similar. No ILS or PAPI just a landing strip no taxiways but a turnaround at each end of the runway.

5800' length x 100' width.

About $750 million including Lights, Markings, Signage, TERPS analysis, procedure construction, and mitigation. Litigation is another issue. Plan on getting sued.

[Edited 2006-05-26 10:34:42]

User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

Can anybody post a cross section of a typical rwy used at a major airport showing the material make-up and thicknesses?


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting YooYoo (Reply 14):
Can anybody post a cross section of a typical rwy

This isn't great, but it's all I could find:






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User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 15):
This isn't great, but it's all I could find:

cheers !
ok, did a quick take off for a 1,829 m long and 31 m wide runway using the above thicknesses and materials with no lights or any electronics i come with a cost of $10 million.   

[Edited 2006-05-26 20:55:09]

[Edited 2006-05-26 20:55:32]


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12178 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 13):
Plan on getting sued.

Build that into your costs.

Quoting YooYoo (Reply 16):
ok, did a quick take off for a 1,829 m long and 31 m wide runway using the above thicknesses and materials with no lights or any electronics i come with a cost of $10 million

Runways can cost from anywhere around $15M (US), for something discribed above to well over $1B (US). DFW finished a 2012' X 150' concrete runway extension that costs $265M (US). Of course that includes for a full CAT IIIb ILS system, too.


User currently offlineBri2k1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 988 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 8):
Especially the touchdown zone is under very hard pressure from landing planes.

Why is this? The wheels are on shock absorbers, and at touchdown speed, the wings are still carrying most of the weight.



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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Getting rid of the centerline lights would probably drop the costs quite a bit. You don't need them and they definitely aren't consdered a "basic" runway attribute.


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User currently offlineNorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I don't really care about the lights. What is the cheapest option ? It could just be a gravel strip I don't really care. What is the cheapest option to land a Falcon or similar ?


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User currently offlineNorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

What would the cost of a runway to land a Cirrus or similar on be ? I could park the Falcon at KAUS and fly the Cirrus to KAUS to transfer to the jet.


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User currently offlineCO738 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

oh come on guys you buy some extra ply tires throw them on the plane clear cut the land for the length and width needed plus some extra for threshold and you land on the grass its way cheaper than buying aspahlt and look at all the firewood you have for your home!


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User currently offlineNorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I don't think you can land a Falcon on grass or at least not if you ever want to fly it again.


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User currently offlineCO738 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Well he didn't mention that he wanted to land and take off again...  biggrin 


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