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How To Read An Airport Chart?  
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2410 posts, RR: 23
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 27405 times:

Can anyone please help me with this?

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User currently offline9V-SPJ From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 752 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 27453 times:

Which particular airport chart? The one describing the runway and taxiway layout or the departure/arrival or approach charts?

9V-SPJ


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2410 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 27422 times:

Quoting 9V-SPJ (Reply 1):
Which particular airport chart? The one describing the runway and taxiway layout or the departure/arrival or approach charts?

Both types of charts.
Edit: I read your post too fast

[Edited 2006-06-07 16:16:20]

User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 41
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 27435 times:

While you're waiting for help here, you could take a look at this for some explanations of part of an approach chart (note, it's a simulation site):

Approach Charts


User currently offlineBri2k1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 988 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 27377 times:

You could start by getting one and looking at the legend. Every symbol, color, shading, notation, and everything else on the chart is clearly explained in the legend.

You're going to have to ask more specific questions if you want real help.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 27358 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 2):
Both types of charts.

There are more then just two....



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2410 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 27342 times:

thanks for your help so far, everyone!
I just want to know how to use a chart as I am flightsimming quite often and want it to be even more realistic.
And I am planning on becoming a real world pilot in a few years, so it would be great with some knowledge about this for a future need.

[Edited 2006-06-07 17:57:09]

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 27315 times:

Well, an airport diagram is pretty self-explanatory. In the regular US ones, taxiways are shown in grey, and labeled with their identifying letters. Runways, terminals and other structures are shown in black. Runways have their lengths and widths printed next to them. Other landmarks are also on the chart (control tower, fire station, a VOR, etc.).

If you were to post a link to a chart with some more specific questions, it would be much easier to give a good explanation.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2410 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 27301 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 7):

If you were to post a link to a chart with some more specific questions, it would be much easier to give a good explanation.

Well that is exactly why I am asking. I know nothing about airport charts. That is why I started this thread. Sorry for asking stupid questions, but we've all been newbies at some point, haven't we?


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 27200 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 8):
Well that is exactly why I am asking. I know nothing about airport charts. That is why I started this thread. Sorry for asking stupid questions, but we've all been newbies at some point, haven't we?

Your question isn't stupid, it's just a bit unclear what exactly you're asking. In light of that, I'll go with a general description of the three main kinds of charts that you'll see:

1) Airport Diagrams (this one is for LGA: http://map.aeroplanner.com/plates/FaaPlates_pdfs/00289AD.PDF)

These are just top-down views of an airport that pilots use to find their way around an airport. Taxiways and ramps are shown in grey, with black labels. Runways and buildings are shown in black. There may also be notes as to procedures that are required for a certain airport.

2) Approach Plates (this one is the ILS to runway 22 at LGA: http://map.aeroplanner.com/plates/FaaPlates_pdfs/00289I22.PDF)

These contain all the information a pilot needs to fly an instrument approach. Refer to the link that David L posted for more information about them.

3) SID and STAR Charts: (this one is the MILTON STAR to LGA: http://map.aeroplanner.com/plates/FaaPlates_pdfs/00289MILTON.PDF)

These contain a textual and graphic descripton of how to fly a SID or STAR.

-Mir



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 27185 times:

Mir, looks like the links you provided are dead.

But here's a link to useful stuff in the NACO website:

chart user guide"
http://www.naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/aero_guide

Here you can look up approach charts for any airport in the US:
http://www.naco.faa.gov/digital_tpp....0606&eff=06-08-2006&end=07-06-2006


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 27098 times:

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 10):
Mir, looks like the links you provided are dead.

Yeah, I didn't mean for those parentheses to be in there.

Here they are again:

1: http://map.aeroplanner.com/plates/FaaPlates_pdfs/00289AD.PDF

2: http://map.aeroplanner.com/plates/FaaPlates_pdfs/00289I22.PDF

3: http://map.aeroplanner.com/plates/FaaPlates_pdfs/00289MILTON.PDF

That should fix it.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2410 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 27022 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 10):



Quoting Mir (Reply 11):

Thankyou guys! I'll try to figure out how it works.


User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 877 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 26960 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
1) Airport Diagrams (this one is for LGA: http://map.aeroplanner.com/plates/Fa...D.PDF

Where does it say special instructions for a 747 taxing at LGA as someone mentioned in the latest updated airport diagram for LGA?


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2410 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 26890 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
2) Approach Plates (this one is the ILS to runway 22 at LGA: http://map.aeroplanner.com/plates/FaaPlates_pdfs/00289I22.PDF)

These contain all the information a pilot needs to fly an instrument approach. Refer to the link that David L posted for more information about them.

Map #1 is pretty straight forward I think, but on map #2 there are still quite a few things I don't get about this map. To the south of the airport (La Guardia) there is a circle where it says "225°" and in the middle of the circle it says "210K" and in the bottom of the circle it says "045°". Is this a holding pattern?

What are all the triangles all over the map with numbers below them?

There are two big arrows coming from the right of the map pointing away from the glide slope I think it is. One of them is called R-306 and the other one is called R-293. What do these arrows mean?

Thankyou all for your help so far! It is greatly appreciated!


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 41
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 26877 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 14):
What are all the triangles all over the map with numbers below them?

I'm guessing the 1515 ft one just outside the 10 NM circle to the southwest is the Empire State Building.


User currently offline727EMflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 26853 times:

Since you want to be a licensed pilot one day, may I suggest starting out on some self-study ground school? There are a lot of text books and computer based training courses out there that can guide you step by step... and depending on the training route you choose could even satisfy some ground training requirements! I suggest Jeppesen's "Guided Flight Discovery" series. It will step you through the basic knowledge required of a private pilot all the way to the intricacies of a commercial or ATP. Sporty's and King Schools put together some good CD-Rom and video stuff... and you can find it all online.

User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2410 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 26818 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 15):
I'm guessing the 1515 ft one just outside the 10 NM circle to the southwest is the Empire State Building.

Thanks! That explains a lot! lol. Not used to high obstacles coming from a very very flat country :P

Quoting 727EMflyer (Reply 16):
Since you want to be a licensed pilot one day, may I suggest starting out on some self-study ground school? There are a lot of text books and computer based training courses out there that can guide you step by step... and depending on the training route you choose could even satisfy some ground training requirements! I suggest Jeppesen's "Guided Flight Discovery" series. It will step you through the basic knowledge required of a private pilot all the way to the intricacies of a commercial or ATP. Sporty's and King Schools put together some good CD-Rom and video stuff... and you can find it all online.

That is a good suggestion. I will look into it and concider buying it. My summer holiday starts in a week which leaves me with a golden opportunity for reading about becoming a pilot

Once again, thankyou everyone for your help this far!


User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 26804 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 14):
Map #1 is pretty straight forward I think, but on map #2 there are still quite a few things I don't get about this map. To the south of the airport (La Guardia) there is a circle where it says "225�" and in the middle of the circle it says "210K" and in the bottom of the circle it says "045�". Is this a holding pattern?

Yes, that's a holding pattern...

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 14):

There are two big arrows coming from the right of the map pointing away from the glide slope I think it is. One of them is called R-306 and the other one is called R-293. What do these arrows mean?

Those are radials off different VOR's in the area. R-306 is the 306 degree radial off the Deer Park (DPK) VOR (the VOR is just east of the chart)... R-293 is the same except the 293 degree radial.... The intersection of these radials and Localizer course identifies different fixes on the approach. For example if you are on the ILS and centered on the localizer using a CDI/HSI and on another CDI/HSI you are shown as passing the 306 degree radial off the DPK VOR you are over the "YOMAN" Intersection... Sometimes you may hear pilots call tower with something like, "LGA tower, ExecJet 258 ILS 22, outside YOMAN"... Obviously the tower has radar, but with just that information they can tell where you are on the approach...


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2410 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 26772 times:

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 18):

Thanks! Then I have one more question which is kind of off topic, but I dont think it is enough to start another thread.

What does it mean when a pilot says "UA449 with oscar ready to taxi"

And what does it mean when the control tower says "UA449 hold short of zulu"?


User currently offlineNZ8800 From New Zealand, joined May 2006, 425 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 26754 times:

"Zulu" would be taxiway Z, that you are about to cross, so you hold there for another aeroplane to pass before being given the go-ahead to cross or turn onto Zulu.

Oscar - not sure, possibly part of the particular aircraft's registration? Or has already had push-back done, cleared to taxiway Oscar, and is confirming to Ground that they are ready to go.

You might also be interested in the AIP New Zealand charts at http://www.aip.net.nz/

In particular, I like the Whangarei RLLS chart at http://www.aip.net.nz/pdf/NZWR_46.1.pdf

Arriving aircraft fly in along the harbour from Whangarei heads and at 3.0 NM DME choose either runway 06 or runway 24. As you can see, RWY 06 - port arrival, flashing amber "gates" - parallel lights - show the start of the approach, and three steady amber lights show the way around and across the harbour, clear of obstacles, to the airport at Onerahi .

For runway 34 - similar but watch for the flashing red terrain limit lights (high ground) along the shoreline (and one in the harbour - I think an island) - and again, the flashing amber gates start the approach, curving around to show the safe approach towards Onerahi.

Otherwise you bank in the opposite direction closer to the airport as instructed. Due to the town of Onerahi surrounding the airport and the city of Whangarei 4NM NNW, final approach must be on the runway vectors.

Whangarei is an non-certificated (ie no regular 30+ passenger aircraft) uncontrolled airfield with regular Air New Zealand Beech 1900D services arriving and departing.
Lighting is pilot controlled, with VASI LIL RWY and REIL.

The NDB chart shows the high ground near Whangarei - note the mount of hills! It clearly shows the paths in and out, and the necessity of the NDBs and IFR in bad weather.



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User currently offlineTg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 26741 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 19):
What does it mean when a pilot says "UA449 with oscar ready to taxi

By advising the controllers that you have Oscar ( could be any letter in the phonetical alphabeth) you let them know that you have listened to the ATIS ( Aerodrome terminal information system).

The ATIS is a recorded message that informs about the current weather, runways in use, NOTAMS etc. at the airport. Its normaly updated once an hour, or upon a change in officia weather reports for the aerodrome. To make sure you have the current ATIS every recording is given a "name" in form of one of the letters. like Oscar, Papa.....



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2410 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 26717 times:

Quoting NZ8800 (Reply 20):



Quoting Tg 747-300 (Reply 21):

Thankyou very much for your answers!! It all makes more sense now.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 26693 times:

Quoting 777WT (Reply 13):
Where does it say special instructions for a 747 taxing at LGA as someone mentioned in the latest updated airport diagram for LGA?

It's in the A/FD, not the airport diagram.

-Mir



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User currently offlineGE90110B1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 26410 times:

I know the normal approach taught for getting a private license is to fly the entire length of the runway in the opposite direction that you will be landing or the "downwind leg." Then you make a right or left "base" turn and line up for final approach, is this the same procedure that big commercial aircraft use in big city airports or do they sometimes forgo the downwind leg and just line up from many miles away and land straight on. I ask because I live near a small airport that occasionally gets some 737's and a DC9 and 727 and none of these aircraft seem to fly a downwind leg, they just seem to fly straight all the way in without a base turn. Also, I see many large aircraft in other situations making pretty steep turns and just straightening out to line up on the runway at the last second. How do they calculate when to start the turn and end up at just the right altitude when they line up on the runway, it seems very treacherous to the casual observer. The Kai Tak rwy 13 approach is an example.

25 Mir : It's not just commercial traffic that doesn't fly your standard traffic patterns - all IFR flights do. That means the airlines, but it also means gen
26 Post contains images CptSpeaking : Yes, this is a "published hold". The 225 and 045 are the inbound and outbound headings (in a no-wind condition anyway), and the 210K is the suggested
27 Post contains images AirPacific747 : Haha, well I have wanted to become a pilot since I was 6 years old I hope that I am able to. My father knows a former Airbus A320 pilot and he told m
28 XJRamper : I wish you luck with your flying adventures!! I am currently in the process of getting my multi commercial (obtaining both private and commercial aro
29 Post contains images AirPacific747 : Thankyou for your advice!! I tried flying in a Glider a few days ago in France. Well I didn't fly it myself as I don't have a license. My pilot was a
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