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Here Is How You Get A CRJ-200 From SFO-HNL  
User currently offlineMesaMXORD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6083 times:

Here it is. Now that BOMBA released it I can show. Here is the 1st GO! Airplane and the ferry tank install

Big version: Width: 853 Height: 637 File size: 1593kb
Big version: Width: 800 Height: 600 File size: 313kb


Best part is I get to go (no pun intended) and work out there for a month. What a bummer huh?

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User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6067 times:

Woah.

I'm guessing you have to (dis)assemble the tanks inside; they don't look like they're very manuverable otherwise. How much fuel do they each hold?


Airwave  eyebrow 



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User currently offlineMesaMXORD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6036 times:

I'm guessing you have to (dis)assemble the tanks inside; they don't look like they're very manuverable otherwise. How much fuel do they each hold?


Airwave [/quote]

There are 6 total you can't really tell in that pic they go out okay


User currently offlineAirwave From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1117 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5976 times:

Ahhh, ok, thanks!


Airwave  eyebrow 



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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5962 times:

Well, based on the cargo capacity of the CRJ-200... the tanks shouldn't be more than about 210 gallons each based on my calculations, increasing total fuel capacity by around 60%. But, that assumes they took off at normal MTOW, I suppose chances aren't 0 that they got a waiver and were able to take off heavier than MTOW.

User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5928 times:

What are the 2 seats there for?

User currently offlineIlikeyyc From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5895 times:

Where and how do the aux. fuel tanks connect to the fuel system? Do they just drain into the center tank? Do they get spliced into a line? Do they have their own pump or ejector? curious minds want to know.

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 5):
What are the 2 seats there for?

I would guess they are there because whatever they can fit on the airplane is something they don't have to pay to ship to hawaii.



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User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1762 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5853 times:
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Quoting Airwave (Reply 1):
I'm guessing you have to (dis)assemble the tanks inside; they don't look like they're very manuverable otherwise. How much fuel do they each hold?

It looks like each "tank" is actually 3 seperate sections, six total.

I would guess that's so they can rotate each one sideways and take it out through the overwing exit (not sure you could maneouver that out the front door w/the galley in the way ...) ...

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 5):
What are the 2 seats there for?

Those are the two seats in the way back next to the lavatory. They're not in the way of the tanks, so why remove them?

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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

WOW sure hope they have enough fuel to make it to HNL  Smile

User currently offline727EMflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5815 times:

Quoting YULYMX (Reply 8):
WOW sure hope they have enough fuel to make it to HNL

Well, since the top photo was taken in HNL and (note WP) and they started ops last week, I'd say its a safe bet there was plenty of fuel  biggrin 


User currently offlineMesaMXORD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5745 times:

Quoting MesaMXORD (Thread starter):
Where and how do the aux. fuel tanks connect to the fuel system? Do they just drain into the center tank? Do they get spliced into a line? Do they have their own pump or ejector? curious minds want to know.

Exactly they have that thing loaded to gills with fuel and on the 200 the center tank feeds the wing tanks so those aux tanks gravity feed the center tank and the center feeds the wings, etc.... The vent lines tie into the existing vent system and all is good

Those seats are there exactly for that reason our FEDEX bill was getting up there 24 seat assemblies * 6


User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5717 times:

Quoting MesaMXORD (Thread starter):
What a bummer huh?

Mesa, we feel your pain. You are real trooper to step in there and take one for the team. Your valor brings a tear to my eye.  Wink


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6370 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5694 times:

I'm just wondering how hard the Clearance Delivery controller at SFO was laughing as they issued a trans-oceanic clearance to a flight with the "Air Shuttle" callsign  spin 


Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5674 times:

This is the same way HA did with their 717s from LGB to HNL.


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User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5630 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
This is the same way HA did with their 717s from LGB to HNL.


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User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5558 times:

Isn't there a regulation about cabin attendance during ferry flights to watch for fire and other problems? That might be the purpose of the seats. Or to ferry the mx crew... Or both combined...


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User currently offlineRyan h From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1542 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5537 times:

I would be guessing that would definitely be a non smoking flight.


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5443 times:

Quoting 777WT (Reply 14):

Thanks for the pic!



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User currently offlineMesaMXORD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 5312 times:

Just got the good news! The last 200 gets there the day I fly in so I can answer some questions better about the set-up. (granted I wanted to surf not rip out tanks and put the interior back together)

User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5206 times:

Quoting MesaMXORD (Reply 18):
Just got the good news! The last 200 gets there the day I fly in so I can answer some questions better about the set-up. (granted I wanted to surf not rip out tanks and put the interior back together)

While you're in it, can you check out if the cabin pressurization has any effect with the aux tanks?
Like as the aircraft is pressurized for high alt. flight, does the vent system allow the pressurization to help push the fuel out of the aux tanks into the center tank?


User currently offlineDon81603 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5176 times:

Okay, flame me if you want, but do they need ETOPS certification for a ferry flight from SFO to HNL?


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17015 posts, RR: 67
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5143 times:

Quoting Don81603 (Reply 20):
Okay, flame me if you want, but do they need ETOPS certification for a ferry flight from SFO to HNL?

My guess would be no since this is a one time not in service flight. Just like ferrying a 747 with only 3 engines. You would need some authority to sign off on it though.



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User currently offline777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

Quoting Don81603 (Reply 20):
Okay, flame me if you want, but do they need ETOPS certification for a ferry flight from SFO to HNL?

Not for delivery flights. There's 'Special Flight Permit' for those ferry flights.


User currently offlineIH8B6 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 208 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5093 times:

Wow, neat pic.

So a question: Are these aux tanks tested in the CRJs (and in the 717s for that matter) before they are put into use on the actual mainlaind to Hawaii flights? If so, how are they tested? Do they actually do some type of proving flight first to make damn sure that the tanks in the cabin are going to feed thru into the fuel system?



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User currently offlineMesaMXORD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

Aloha Everyone

Quoting 777WT (Reply 19):
While you're in it, can you check out if the cabin pressurization has any effect with the aux tanks?
Like as the aircraft is pressurized for high alt. flight, does the vent system allow the pressurization to help push the fuel out of the aux tanks into the center tank?

Nope just gravity.


25 Post contains images Bhill : Wrong..silly humans..those are warp drive nacells... )
26 Ha763 : The tanks themselves are pressure tested to check for leaks. If you look at the HA 717 pics, you can see it written on the tank. Other than that, the
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