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User currently offlineFlyMatt2Bermud From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 563 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

Does anyone have any information, details or pictures of aircraft with odd specifications?

The second window on right side of this Global 5000 isn't a window it is a decal. A frame prevented installation of a window at this position and the owner preferred to have visual symmetry.

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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting FlyMatt2Bermud (Thread starter):
Does anyone have any information, details or pictures of aircraft with odd specifications?

....Well, there's the Falcon 20 missile-based TCAS STC:


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"....Aaaaaaaand approach, that traffic's no longer a factor...."



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User currently offlineFlymatt2bermud From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 563 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 1):
approach, that traffic's no longer a factor

I guess you would not have to worry about the spacing with one or two of those ornaments!! Great pic!



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Here are some others:


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Photo © David Lednicer



...And if you like those, there are some even stranger things in my photo album titled "Interesting Aircraft", accessible from my profile.




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User currently offlineFlyMatt2Bermud From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 563 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Looks like that jet commander was a very bad boy? Does anybody know what is that contraption on it's nose? Looks like it ate a GE CF34 fanjet engine. I remember when the (slow) Citation 500's entered service the joke around the field was that Cessna had installed screens on the tailpipe to prevent birds from flying into them during flight.


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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting FlyMatt2Bermud (Reply 4):
Does anybody know what is that contraption on it's nose?

I believe it's a radar testbed, presumably for MiG-21 radar systems. I welcome any corrections, though.




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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The Total In Flight Simulator (TIFS), built by Tex Johnson Aerospace in 1969.
http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/show.php?id=207674


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
The Total In Flight Simulator (TIFS), built by Tex Johnson Aerospace in 1969.

Here's a shot of it from the database:


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 5):
I believe it's a radar testbed, presumably for MiG-21 radar systems. I welcome any corrections, though.

Nope, I think you hit it one the head.

Israel had/has a big program upgrading Mig-21's for various countries.



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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I love this thread. For every odd and/or unusual detail out there, there's an interesting story behind it.

How about the Wren conversion of the 182?



Check out those strakes on top of the wing!


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...And the canards:








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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 7):
Here's a shot of it from the database:

I searched the data base for this aircraft for a year and could not find it, but I was looking a CV580, not a C-131. There is TIFS that was converted from a C-131 but it has a different nose. I worked for six months on the aircraft when I was just out of the USAF in February 1969.


User currently offlineFlymatt2bermud From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 563 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 9):
How about the Wren conversion of the 182?

Do you or anyone know how much the Wren conversion added in terms of performance or range? Those are some interesting mods.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Flymatt2bermud (Reply 11):
Do you or anyone know how much the Wren conversion added in terms of performance or range? Those are some interesting mods

It wasn't for range, it was intended to get the airplane out of short strips. I don't have the numbers off the top of my head but we are talking in the range of sub-150 foot ground rolls.

Those vanes on the top of the wing actually pivot with the ailerons to provide roll control at slow speeds.



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User currently offlineFlyMatt2Bermud From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 563 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

150 foot ground rolls!! Now that is impressive. Back in the 70's a coal company operated a Helio Courier into Eastern Kentucky. Some area's they needed to get into did not have a landing strip nearby so they would pay the local High School to use their football field on occassion. I think I might have a picture or two in my archives and will place it here if I can find one.


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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 7):

"The Convair has a 707 nose attached for experimental purposes"

The experiment being to see what would happen if you attached a 707 nose to a Convair prop.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 9):
For every odd and/or unusual detail out there, there's an interesting story behind it.

And you always seem to find them.  Smile


User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17056 posts, RR: 67
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

There's a great book about weird planes in my bookshelf:




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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting 474218 (Reply 10):
I worked for six months on the aircraft when I was just out of the USAF in February 1969.

Wow...you must have some interesting stories about that....

Quoting Flymatt2bermud (Reply 11):
Do you or anyone know how much the Wren conversion added in terms of performance or range?

I couldn't find any info on the 460, but here are some numbers for the 260E:



...From http://www.260se.com/performance.html:

The 260SE takes off and lands short and displays the same safe flat attitude after liftoff.

With only idle power, the 260SE will loiter at slow speeds in a safe flat attitude with outstanding stall resistance and fantastic over the nose visibility. The loiter speed is only 50 knots.

The 260SE has outstanding maneuverability after takeoff. Steep turns may be made either direction immediately after take off.


Here's more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peterson_260SE

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
Those vanes on the top of the wing actually pivot with the ailerons to provide roll control at slow speeds.

Bloody hell. Can you imagine the complexity involved in installing and rigging them? Definitely not an airplane to be certified for known icing...  Smile

Quoting FlyMatt2Bermud (Reply 13):
Helio Courier

Here's one:



....And, since we're on the topic of odd aircraft details:



...And, of course, we musn't forget the TWIN Courer:





Quoting David L (Reply 14):

The experiment being to see what would happen if you attached a 707 nose to a Convair prop.

Actually, I believe the experiment was to determine whether a fixed-wing aircraft could achieve flight in the manner helicopters do so....that is, to be so ugly that the Earth repels it. It succeeded:


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Quoting David L (Reply 14):
And you always seem to find them.

I do what I can.  biggrin 




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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

We're talking about weird aircraft and no one has mentioned any Soviet aircraft?

Behold! The Antonov A-40 Winged Tank!



User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting 777236ER (Reply 17):
Behold! The Antonov A-40 Winged Tank!

That's excellent, and I would love to log some time in one, but "wierd aircraft" would constitute an entirely seperate thread...this one is mainly about strange mods or details on (relatively) normal aircraft.

As for tank treads, the B-36 tried some:




...But that Russian tank is far cooler. Ain't nobody gonna taxi into position and hold when THAT'S on final....  biggrin 




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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 14):
The Convair has a 707 nose attached for experimental purposes"

The experiment being to see what would happen if you attached a 707 nose to a Convair prop.

Actually there were computers onboard that could make the CV580 handle just like the B707. The side force surfaces on the wing could simulate engine out situations, cross wind landing and takeoffs. There were fast action flaps which could simulate turbulence. It was a real state of the art aircraft for its day. Cornell University in New York was a partner on the project and programmed the computers.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 16):
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The pictures you posted were of the USAF version, made from a C-131, I think most of the nose of this aircraft was fiberglass. It too was a Cornell University project. It was programmed to simulate several different aircraft types.


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Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting 474218 (Reply 19):
It was programmed to simulate several different aircraft types.

Interesting. Do you happen to know of some examples off the top of your head?




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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 16):
Bloody hell. Can you imagine the complexity involved in installing and rigging them? Definitely not an airplane to be certified for known icing...

Not to mention that all that stuff added to the airplane weighs a lot, which is probably why I have only seen two up here.

A lot of of bush pilots prefer the mechanical simplicity of keeping the aircraft as light as possible. For example the late great Don Sheldon who was the first person to really make a living flying moutian climbers on Denali. Only had one coat of paint over the silver coat on his Super Cubs, and he ordered his 180's without paint.



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Quoting L-188 (Reply 21):
A lot of of bush pilots prefer the mechanical simplicity of keeping the aircraft as light as possible.

Makes sense. I imagine mechanical simplicity is a rather nice feature to have when flying into and out of desolate locations, as well.




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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 20):
Interesting. Do you happen to know of some examples off the top of your head?

2H4,

Checkout the following web site, the list of aircraft programs the USAF/NASA Total In Flight Simulator has been involved with is quite impressive.

http://www.afrlhorizons.com/Briefs/Oct05/VAH0504.html


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Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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...From that link:

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Performing extensive modification, AFRL transformed the airplane into TIFS, a one-of-a-kind simulator that engineers can program to simulate virtually any type of air vehicle
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I'd be surprised if it could accurately simulate the C-5, though. I mean, really...how could you possibly fit all the inop placards into that little cockpit?  duck 


I kid, C-5 guys, I kid.  biggrin 




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25 Post contains links and images Wingscrubber : What about Rutans Boomering? I think he designed this simply because he could... and it's not the first either, there was a Blohm und Voss rece aircra
26 Post contains links and images Irish251 : Another "ugly duckling"! View Large View MediumPhoto © Den Pascoe
27 Post contains images 2H4 : ...And another: 2H4
28 Post contains images MissedApproach : The Dash-8 radar trainer above is casually referred to as "Gonzo". The RCAF also operated two Dakotas equipped for radar training during the Starfight
29 HAWK21M : What Makes them the Fastest. regds MEL
30 Post contains images MissedApproach : A bit of a joke really, but supposedly the streamlined nose gave them another 2 or 3 knots of airspeed. Another good one is Pratt & Whitney Canada's
31 320tech : They were also claimed to be the fastest Dakotas in NATO. What Makes them the Fastest. All the hotshot Starfighter pilots in the back. You don't think
32 FlyMatt2Bermud : Forgive me for saying so myself but this is one fun thread!
33 Post contains links StealthZ : Flying at 120 kts.. hell the Germans even tried to get them flying at 0 kts! http://www.pbase.com/chrisg/image/24533942 Apologies for the quality, I
34 Post contains links and images Jetjack74 : This aircraft that used to be with squadron Is now this, the vomit comet View Large View MediumPhoto © Mark Plumley CLE Spotters This AA 707, Vie
35 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Someone apparently felt the Super Cub wasn't equipped with enough wings in stock form: ...And, for some reason, people seem to think Cessna equipped
36 Post contains links and images HangarRat : Here's one I've always been fascinated with. Saw this when I was a kid at the Reading, (Pa.) air show. The Mid Atlantic Air Museum had it on static di
37 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Heh-heh....can you imagine having to preflight that thing after a heavy snowfall? Here are some interesting Cessnas: Here's a P-38 on skis: Here's an
38 Post contains links and images Starlionblue : Jetjack74, as a Tintin fan all I can say to this one is "Mr Papadopoulos!" View Large View MediumPhoto © Gary Chambers
39 Post contains images WrenchBender : How about a CC115 Buffalo on an Air Cushion Landing System a joint Bell and Boeing venture WrenchBender
40 FlyMatt2Bermud : Was this Air Cushion Landing System designed for emergency, snow covered landing sites or what?
41 SlamClick : Hey amigo, do you happen to know the tail number on that Army U-10, the one with the nonstandard paint scheme? I might have flown it. That first Cess
42 Post contains images 2H4 : N444PB, serial #056. Funny, I've seen the other one in the flesh. Have you seen the Cessna 340 that was being converted to a single-engine turboprop,
43 WrenchBender : I believe it was to make the Buffalo an 'all terain capable A/C', consider the north of Canada, open tundra or high arctic, you could in theory land
44 SlamClick : So it was a civilian "warbird" and not an actual Army aircraft?
45 Post contains links 2H4 : Well, it reportedly has under 300 TT since new, so I believe that is indeed the case: http://www.aso.com/aircraft/87896 2H4
46 Post contains images RG828 : This commander has me intrigued: Any ideas what this was about?
47 Post contains images 2H4 : Looks to be a testbed of some kind. Reminds me of G-FANS: ....Have I mentioned how much I love this thread? 2H4
48 PJFlysFast : Wow! I really enjoy this thread as well! Can you imagine inflating a mattress to enable you to land on almost any cleared surface. This is like Buck
49 Khenleydia : I discovered a very OLD and VERY strange aircraft the other day, but of course I didn't have my camera. I found it sitting at NLA on Sunday. The aircr
50 Post contains images 2H4 : Indeed! 2H4
51 AeroWeanie : It was Turbomeca's testbed for the Astafan engine. After the test program, they used it as a corporate aircraft.
52 Khenleydia : Thanks! You know, I just uploaded 4 images from today at Ndola, Zambia International. I noticed in one of the other image descriptions that it was us
53 TwinCommander : the top bird with the fans on it is a commander the other one is a brittan-norman islander, which is an off shoot of the commander. they did make a j
54 Post contains links and images HangarRat : Here's some more weirdness. Near PHL in scenic Essington, Pa., where I wintered my boat this year is the Piasecki Aircraft Co. As I was getting ready
55 Post contains links and images Ryan h : Wingscrubber, the C-130 with the pointy nose is for weather research. An odd aircraft that I have seen is the RC-135U. Visitied Adelaide in August 200
56 Post contains links and images WrenchBender : Similar to the Turbo Dak in reply 50, here is a CASA 212 with similar equipment. View Large View MediumPhoto © John Davies - CYOW Airport Watch I
57 Post contains images SP90 : I think this one should qualify as "odd". Does anyone have more info on this aircraft? The caption say this is a 747-200. To me it looks like some kin
58 Post contains images FlyMatt2Bermud : Imagine imagine imagine: Add four more engines to those outboard pylons and the pilots would be the envy of all those B52 drivers out there. The 8 en
59 Post contains images SlamClick : Offshoot? In what way? If we consider offshoot in its botanical sense that would mean that they would be the same species. This is certainly not the
60 David L : Thank you - that had me stumped. My recollection is that Britten-Norman started out as a small outfit in the UK (Isle of Wight, I think) and I certai
61 Post contains links AeroWeanie : Not true - the Twin Commander was originally designed right after WWII by Ted Smith and his associates, who had worked at Douglas. For more info, see
62 Post contains links and images AeroWeanie : Frank Piasecki founded Piasecki Helicopter (as P-V Engineering Forum) during WWII. During the 1950s, he needed money to fund growth and got investmen
63 Post contains images FlyMatt2Bermud : How many windows do you need or want? Here is what happens when a frame prevents you from putting in a window to keep an asymetric look. The manufact
64 Post contains images TwinCommander : they are similar in engineering... while not identical, they share very similar engineering in the fuselage and wings. suposidly, some of the designe
65 SlamClick : Again, they are not at all similar. You've been deceived by a glance without really taking a look. They bear a SUPERFICIAL resemblance because they a
66 Post contains links SlamClick : Here is a good comparison. Open both in separate windows, size them to fit side by side, then go back and forth between them. The differences outweig
67 Post contains links AeroWeanie : I hope not. The Twin Commanders have spar problems that I am not aware of the Islander having. See: www.casa.gov.au/airworth/papers/AeroCommander.pdf
68 Gib : This has to be THE most entertaining post EVER on a.net.!
69 FlyMatt2Bermud : I am enjoying the photo's and descriptions here as well! Keep em coming!
70 Post contains images 2H4 : Ok, boys and girls....here are some more oddities from your friendly database editor: Piper Aztec Nomad Cessna 185 AgCarryall I've been trying to fin
71 FlyMatt2Bermud : These photo's are great 2H4 you are the man with the incredible photos...'you are the man!'
72 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Ok, so I guess I'm on a bit of a roll this afternoon: Here's a three-view of that LALA-1: ...And another shot of the Cessna that never was....this ti
73 Post contains images Gib : DC-3 / C-47 on floats...! That one's gonna' be hard to top...
74 Post contains links WrenchBender : After seeing the Dak on floats, it tweeked my memory, here's a link to the DC 2 1/2 site. http://www.douglasdc3.com/dc2half/dc2half.htm WrenchBender
75 Post contains images Gib : CV-7 / C-8A Buffalo / DHC-5 One helluva' modification by NASA.
76 Post contains links and images AeroWeanie : Look carefully at the fuselage - it is rather different than the P-51. There were two built. One is at the USAF Museum (you can see its tail at the r
77 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Ah, the QSRA....good one, Gib. Here are some more: Cessna 150 with some kind of engine upgrade: View Large View MediumPhoto © Andreas Müller -
78 Post contains images 2H4 : Ah yes...so it is. Interesting. I wonder how many (if any) direct similarities exist between the PA-48 and P-51. I'm only about 30 minutes from the U
79 L-188 : Actually the starting point was the P-51H. You can tell by the shape of the canopy and the taller height of the tail. The P51D tail stops at the top
80 Post contains links and images Gib : Hope this one will qualify for this thread! View Large View MediumPhoto © Chuck Dart, Jr. Thanks man.
81 Post contains images 2H4 : I'm not sure. I've seen plenty of 150 engine conversions, but never one with a cowl like that. Not sure. The Brazilian aircraft registration doesn't
82 Post contains images 2H4 : Two things come to mind, looking at that A-500: The gap between the spinner and the cowl is enormous That main gear looks really nice and cushy 2H4
83 MD-90 : That really looks like a Dee Howard 500, except that of course they were all conventional gear.
84 Gib : I remember someone asking the crew about this. Required for testing....for some reason. (That helped alot, ay?.... Sorry.)
85 Post contains links Gib : http://www.slipstreamtechinc.com/pro...essna340tosingleturbineengine.html This it???
86 Post contains images 2H4 : Well I'll be damned....you found it.... ...And I never knew about the Baron single-engine-turboprop conversion. It's a T-34C for the whole family! Th
87 Post contains links and images Gib : Source = http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/modern_flight/mf37a.htm OK....How am I doing?
88 Post contains images 2H4 : Very well indeed! I've seen that shot of the Tacit Blue seat/side panel, but I can't find any straight-on shots of the main panel. Good find, though!
89 Post contains images FlyMatt2Bermud : Really thanks all these are some incredible shots. Thanks for doing all the research! It is a very enjoyable look & read. Does anyone know who was doi
90 Post contains images David L : It's really brought out the 'aviation perverts'. But seriously, some incredible photos.
91 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Aviation perverts? Where? Here are some more interesting creations: Luscombe Turbine Conversion Navion Turbine Conversion Ruschmeyer R-90 Turbine Con
92 Post contains images Starlionblue : Naughty 2H4, stealing bandwidth As usual, I will renew my standing offer to host aviation related pics on my site. Just email me the request through t
93 Post contains images 2H4 : Hmm...I'm going to have to put an end to that. Thanks for the offer. 2H4 P.S. - Just let me know when this stuff gets old, and I'll shut up... P.P.S.
94 FlyMatt2Bermud : 2H4 you never cease to amaze me.
95 Post contains images David L : OK, I guess one man's perversion is another man's normality. Definitely not from my point of view. There really is some interesting stuff there. Thin
96 WrenchBender : No, I don't believe so, it looks more like a car port style shelter than an actual hangar. BTW I love this thread. WrenchBender
97 Post contains images 2H4 : Well, since everyone's enjoying this thread so much..... 2H4
98 Post contains links and images Starlionblue : DC-10 with winglets: And here are some never builts:
99 Post contains links and images Jetlagged : How about these engine flying test beds: View Large View MediumPhoto © Alex Hall Or this might have been (not a good picture of it though) View L
100 Post contains images MissedApproach : I think it's doctored too. The shadowing doesn't seem right, & the buildings "inside" don't seem to match what's seen over the roof. Do you think the
101 Post contains links and images AeroWeanie : To continue on where 2H4 left off: View Large View MediumPhoto © John Kelley View Large View MediumPhoto © David Lednicer View Large View Me
102 FlyMatt2Bermud : The Embraer hangar in the photo is located at KFLL Fort Lauderdale. I don't think it's doctored and I'm sure there are no Canadian built aircraft in
103 2H4 : The perspective looks really strange to me. The tops of the trees are perfectly cut off inline with the top of the hanger door, suggesting that the h
104 Post contains links and images September11 : a DC-8 with THREE engines View Large View MediumPhoto © Bob Logan
105 Post contains images 2H4 : Heh heh....nice try, but wouldn't it in fact have five engines? 2H4
106 Post contains links and images MissedApproach : It looks really strange, but maybe it's just a trick of the light or something. I'm sure someone who's been there has a better idea than I do. I foun
107 Post contains images 2H4 : It adds a nice dose of mystery to the single coolest Tech/Ops thread of 2006. 2H4
108 L-188 : . Actually the mods make sense when you consider it is a skydiving bird......a skydiving operation makes his money by the number of time the airplane
109 Jetlagged : Actually it shows plenty. The hangar concerned is clearly visible below the tip tank. If the hangar doors, front and back, were open to show a parkin
110 2H4 : I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing that.... 2H4
111 Post contains images FlyMatt2Bermud : I'm sure it is the way it looks. I can't promise it's not doctored. I would be happy to run over and take a pic or two but I have to go to Bermuda, T
112 AmericanAirFan : I remember borrowing a book from my local public library about "unconventional aircraft" And just scrolling through glancing at all these pictures alo
113 Post contains images JFKTOWERFAN : Great thread....heres a few more strange birds. Corey
114 Post contains images 2H4 : Good thing that second one has a nice, continuous wing....we wouldn't want too much induced drag, now, would we? 2H4
115 Post contains links and images TripleDelta : Okay, time for my addition: Transavia PL-12: Ikarus S-451 - the aircraft you fly lying down: Ikarus T-451MM - the world's smallest twinjet? View Large
116 Post contains links and images Starlionblue : View Large View MediumPhoto © Pedja Stamenkovic It's an ekranoplan. A ground effect aircraft that skims the water surface. A more famous example
117 2H4 : Man, what I wouldn't give to roll up to some ritzy, exclusive southern CA beach resort in one of those babies. Blast up onto the beach, and then casu
118 Post contains images Starlionblue : Assuming the restaurant hadn't been washed away by the waves you create while landing. And of course the waiters would all be deaf by then. BTW appar
119 Post contains links and images FLY2HMO : I can't believe nobody mentioned the Cri Cri: Worlds smallest jet plane? Worlds smallest plane, overall? All taken from: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/q
120 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Yes, care would have to be taken to preserve the restaurant....and to avoid dirtying one's tuxedo while deplaning. If you ask me, it would be better
121 Post contains images Mighluss : Hi! Funny and informative threat about how extrange can a thing be, and fly anyway The other day, I saw for the first time the Post-war, east Germany
122 Post contains links and images MissedApproach : France has a Q-400 modified as a water bomber- View Large View MediumPhoto © John Olafson That F-5 was modified to reduce the pressure wave assoc
123 SlamClick : Okay a challenge to the aerobscurists. A friend of mine who has since moved away had an old book, published in the 1950s. In it was a Douglas Aircraft
124 Post contains links and images Mighluss :   Source: http://www.dc8.org/ As we say in spain... you will never go to sleep, without knowin something more! (soory, in spanish sound better) BTW.
125 Post contains links and images 2H4 : In this thread? Do you even have to ask? 2H4
126 SlamClick : Okay, my memory was pretty faulty. I remembered it as being enormous. It was actually pretty small, more like a DC-4. Thanks for that. Wait! "40 inch
127 2H4 : They would have had to use boots for ice protection, no? How do you think they would have protected the rear-mounted prop from shedding ice? 2H4
128 SlamClick : 1. Exhaust-heated leading edges inboard, forward of the propeller arc. Boots outboard. 2. The plane was so slow that ice dropped below the prop arc be
129 2H4 : Heh heh....touche.... I was thinking of ice from the horizontal stab in particular, but your points make perfect sense. Thanks. 2H4
130 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Tonight's additions: Global Express ASTOR: A mean-looking Mustang: The "Angel 44"....one of the stranger things I've seen in quite some time: This Glo
131 L-188 : I WANT ONE!!!! I think everybody here allready got it. I have a 1946 popular mechaics magazine that shows the bomber version in flight and announces
132 Post contains images N243NW : I remember seeing pictures of some interesting concepts that DeHavilland Canada came up with for their bush planes, most interestingly the extremely l
133 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Here you go: 2H4
134 SlamClick : Overseas National Airlines installed JATO on one or more of their DC-9 aircraft. I saw one on the ramp at SAN in about 1976. Three or four of my frien
135 HangarRat : What was the purpose of that? Was JATO certified for civie use?
136 FlyMatt2Bermud : Let's make a book out of this thread!
137 Post contains images N243NW : 2H4, I knew I could count on you for those pictures. Thanks again; this has become quite a thread! -N243NW
138 Post contains images 2H4 : I'm doing my best to add mutant aircraft to my "Interesting Aircraft" album in my profile whenever I run across them. I think there are over 100 in t
139 L-188 : Dude, I have seen that lear in real life. The pod hold a LIDAR for surveying.
140 SlamClick : To the best of my knowledge the JATO was only used on the DC-9-30 freighters. It was intended to get them up through V2 in the event of an engine fai
141 Post contains images AeroWeanie : No, its synthetic aperture radar. LIDAR uses wavelengths in the visible spectrum. Its Intermap's Learjet and the radar was developed by ERIM. Calgis
142 Post contains links and images JFKTOWERFAN : How about this little gem I just came across.... View Large View MediumPhoto © Stephen Fox Corey
143 Starlionblue : Lol. Looking ahead is for wimps apparently. Well, if it worked for Lindbergh...
144 Post contains images DH106 : LOL - kinda reminds me of Lindbergh's Ryan
145 Post contains links and images Gib : I know I'm all over the place here, but perhaps these are worthy... View Large View MediumPhoto © Nacho Piédrola - Iberian Spotters View Large V
146 L-188 : Hmmm I might be wrong, but there used to be a lear with a very similar bump (Tumor?) that used to overnight at the Signature hanger at ANC.
147 Post contains images 2H4 : It occured to me we're sorely lacking in military aircraft: Lockheed S-3 AEW Lockheed EC-130E Interesting vertical stab extension.... Boeing XB-47D B
148 AeroWeanie : The system that is now installed on Intermap's Learjet was originally installed on ERIM's Learjet. This is probably what you saw. The radar is actual
149 Post contains links Gib : Check this out... (pg down for pics) http://www.cartercopters.com/high_technology_gyroplane.html
150 Post contains images FlyMatt2Bermud : Warning, beware of impostors! Just short of 7,000 views. I say we stick to the original thread! No offence intended.
151 SP90 : According to the last diagram in "page 43", it looks like the engine is in front, under the cargo compartment. If that is the case, that is one REALL
152 Post contains links and images Aviopic : First F100 proto lives on as airborne ground surveillance test bed. View Large View MediumPhoto © Bjoern Thomsen http://www.dutchspace.nl/pages/b
153 Post contains links LawnDart : As stated, JATO assisted in take-off performance, not only in the event of mechanical failure of the main powerplant, but out of airports that presen
154 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Never fear! That's one of the single best additions to this thread yet. Nicely done! The most-wanted list remains, however: 2H4's Most Wanted List 1)
155 Post contains links and images RG828 : Came across this one on the db: View Large View MediumPhoto © Willam W. Sierra JATO seemed to have been a common solution back then. Can anyone i
156 2H4 : It's a North American XA2J-1.....an experimental development of the standard AJ-1/AJ-2. 2H4
157 RichardPrice : What do you mean by panel shot?
158 2H4 : A nice view of the forward instrument panel in the cockpit. Gib did a nice job of finding a smaller side panel, but I've been unable to find a nice s
159 Post contains images Vzlet : It's a Bell YAH-63. This image via Flug Revue.
160 RG828 : Thanks 2H4, I figured it was a derivative of the AJ Savage, but those contra-rotating props got me confused. Wiki has an article on it, never realize
161 Post contains links and images MissedApproach : Was that some sort of follow-on to the AH-56 prototype? Nobody has mentioned Jimmy Franklin's highly modified Waco yet. Sadly this aircraft was destr
162 2H4 : *cringe* I was hoping nobody would mention that horrible, horrible thing. What a cruel way to bastardize such a (once) beautiful airplane! 2H4
163 Post contains images AeroWeanie : Story is that the Bell test pilots called it "The Turkey". If you think it is bad, check this out. Its the Boeing AAH contender, which never progress
164 2H4 : If the SH-60 is known as the Black Hawk, the White Hawk, the Naval Hawk, the Seahawk, Pave Hawk, etc, why isn't the drug-busting DEA variant known as
165 Post contains images RG828 : How about this, is this a real single-engine B-17? Photoshopped?
166 Post contains images 2H4 : N5111N was a JB-17G that was used as a testbed: THIS one, however, is -ahem- somewhat less authentic: 2H4
167 Post contains images David L : What about the Edgeley Optica?
168 2H4 : That's been a long-time favorite of mine. It's a shame it never succeeded in the market....you'd think there would be a place for it with agencies li
169 Post contains images David L : It was operated (or evaluated) by at least one UK police force but after a crash I think they decided to continue down the helicopter route. I don't
170 L-188 : I remember reading a Flying article about it. One thing that did concern me was that there was a lead ballast in the tail that you would have to move
171 HangarRat : I remember seeing that strange aircraft flying near my gran's house in Hampshire when I was a young kid in the mid-80s. She lived near Basingstoke, n
172 2H4 : No apology necessary, HangarRat.....that was a wonderful story. Thanks for sharing. Surely, as enthusiastic as she was about aviation, she must have
173 HangarRat : I know there's some good stuff out there. My dad has a copy of a tech manual for some derivative of the Rolls Royce Merlin that powered a post-war Br
174 Post contains images David L : No problem - she sounds like quite a gran. As I've mentioned here before, I had a second cousin who was an aero engineer with de Havilland's jet engi
175 HaveBlue : I was working at the Daytona Beach Jet Center when we had an Optica come in for a few days. Our Sherriff's aviation department, which consisted of 3 J
176 FlyMatt2Bermud : That's a very good story! I recommend your gran for a lifetime First Class subscription to a.net. Though I'm really not in a position to do much abou
177 Post contains images HangarRat : As a result of working with some very early computer terminals, she is loathe to use one now. And in case I've given the wrong impression, you'll nev
178 Post contains images JHSfan : That's how Burt Rutan would have made the B-17. - JHSfan
179 PJFlysFast : Awesome Awesome Awesome stuff here guys!
180 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Ok, boys and girls....time for another freakshow! Twin Cessna with Atmospheric Research Equipment Cessna OE-2 A modified version of the O-1.....perha
181 Post contains images Starlionblue : And he's still stealing bandwidth.
182 Post contains links 2H4 : No I'm not: Tinypic is a video and image hosting service that allows you to easily upload, link and share your videos and images on MySpace, eBay, bl
183 Starlionblue : Lol ok. I just noticed one of the pics isn't displaying.
184 FlyMatt2Bermud : Some of the photo contributions to this thread blow me away. What a collection. Thanks for keeping this going with your regular submissions. I gotta h
185 MissedApproach : Hey, most of the airplanes in this thread could be considered abominations by that definition! Were they using the prop blast to increase airflow ove
186 2H4 : I don't know....something about bastardizing a beautiful wooden biplane with a round engine seems different, though... I'm not sure....the flaps do e
187 DH106 : Yes - using the 'Coanda Effect', hence the interlinking of the engines to ensure symetrical propwash should an engine fail. The flaps did indeed defl
188 Post contains links and images HangarRat : More aerobscurata: The Beriev Be-103 Though strange, I think this is a really nice looking aircraft. The owner of Sky Manor airport in Pittstown, N.J.
189 Post contains images SlamClick : Drago Jovanovich' Jovair helicopter: ...and another version, the Sedan: The Hiller Hornet: ...was powered by ramjets on the tip of each main rotor bla
190 DH106 : Interesting - presumably the tail rotor was for control rather than anti-torque as in a standard helicopter as the main rotor drive system should be
191 113312 : Does anyone have a picture of a twin engine conversion of a V Tail Beech? I saw this plane parked at PHX back in around 1972 and none since. It would
192 Post contains links and images 2H4 : That would be the "Super V": Here's some info. 2H4
193 Post contains images SlamClick : Friends and I had that discussion when we looked at it. I could envision the ramjets turning the main rotor and trying to turn the fuselage along wit
194 2H4 : What effects do you think would occur in the event of an inflight engine failure that would leave just one engine operational? Do you think it would
195 SlamClick : Since the ramjets did not provide any lift or thrust to the airframe - only rotational force to the main rotor system I'm betting that the result wou
196 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Well, we can't just let this thread die, now, can we? Here's another V-tailed, twin-engined Beechcraft....the Beechcraft model 34 "Twin Quad". It nev
197 Fly2HMO : What other planes have had wankel engines? I know some ultralights had them...
198 Post contains images 2H4 : You mean, a Wankel rotary engine? How rude. 2H4
199 Post contains links and images MissedApproach : Transport Canada Ice Patrol Dash 7: View Large View MediumPhoto © John Davies - CYOW Airport Watch
200 SlamClick : When swapping lies and war stories I used to enjoy talking about having time in a twin engine Beechcraft. It was 202 inches long, had one turbine and
201 2H4 : Hmm....sounds like either a boat or a tank.... 2H4
202 SlamClick : Close enough. You'd get the prize if there was one. It was a tug, made by Beechcraft. It had a big diesel for propulsion and a turbine for a GPU and
203 2H4 : Wow. I'd like to see a photo of that. 2H4
204 Post contains images MissedApproach : As long as we already have a bunch of unusual prototypes on here, how about a VTOL smorgasbord? Do-31E, VJ 101 Mirage IIIV, Short SC 1 Bell X-14, VAK-
205 L-188 : It was the loser in the competition. The OE-2 is the the Cessna 180 as the O1 is to the 170. It was built for the USMC and uses 180 wings, tail and e
206 Post contains images 2H4 : Well, if we're upgrading engines, I propose we install a round one. How about an OE-3, based on the 190? 2H4
207 Post contains images 2H4 : Blast. Someone beat us to it: 2H4
208 SlamClick : Except that this airframe is a Helio Courier and not a Cessna. Even with that puny little 213 HP O-470 and a 79" prop that O-1 was a pretty good perf
209 Post contains images 2H4 : Oh, I'm aware....that's the closest equivalent to an STOL-modded 190/195 I could find. 2H4
210 Post contains images 2H4 : Staggerwings on floats: 2H4
211 Post contains images L-188 : Everbody could use more power D
212 SlamClick : You of all people will appreciate this: A friend told me this anecdote and I've quoted it often since. His L-188 Electra ground school instructor (at
213 Post contains links and images AC320tech : When this came out, it was dubbed the "RAF's Ugly Sister" View Large View MediumPhoto © Michael J Freer Just your friendly neighbourhood L1011. I
214 Post contains images RG828 : I remember seeing this plane in an action program - Airwolf? - back in the 80s. I would never have imagined that it was a T-33 mod, marketed by....Boe
215 2H4 : Bloody hell. I've never seen that before. Wow. I wonder if the engine placement caused problems with airflow during flight at high angles of attack.
216 Post contains images RG828 : I really, really like this one: Looks like something Howard Hughes would want.
217 L-188 : Good Memory...actually I think it was the second or third episode of the series. It is on my first season DVD set Basicly it was a rebuild of old T-3
218 Post contains links and images Gary2880 : ive always been fond of this one, kinda like having a personal mini chinook View Large View MediumPhoto © Jean-Pierre Bonin
219 HangarRat : I remember seeing that too. I wondered for years what it was.
220 Post contains images RG828 : Thanks L-188/HangarRat, I knew I was'nt crazy! I remember it well because it looked like a bizjet of some sort, yet was very maneuverable. I was'nt e
221 Post contains links Starlionblue : Dear lord. Blue Thunder! The best of the 80s strikes back! Apparently there's a Gazelle lurking in there, and the mods made it so heavy maneuvrability
222 Post contains images RG828 : I remember the ads for this one on av magazines back in the 80s as well, it seemed liked it was going into production. And while researching for that,
223 Post contains images 2H4 : Looks like the Gulfstream Peregrine. I like how the pilot is preflighting in his tux. Classy. Funny how it seems to have similarly downward-angled wi
224 Post contains images RG828 : Its kind of a reminder to self, that I should spend less time on Anet
225 Post contains links MissedApproach : Marketed as the Skyfox, around 1987/88, as a "high-performance combat trainer". You are exactly right. Despite the huge number of T-33's still in ser
226 L-188 : Thanks for the link...I was working off my memory of an old Flying magazine piece on the airplane that I remember reading back in 1983 when my dad fi
227 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Eagle Aircraft DW-1 Amazing wingspan. I can't tell whether this is a conversion of an existing agplane, or whether it's a completely fresh design. 2H
228 Post contains images AeroWeanie : One of my favorite oddballs:
229 2H4 : Something obviously had to be removed to make room for the second cockpit....am I correct in assuming it was a fuel tank? 2H4
230 Starlionblue : The aesthetic sense of the designer comes to mind...
231 Post contains images 2H4 : 2H4
232 AeroWeanie : Well put! A fuel cell was removed to make room for the second cockpit.
233 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Piper Pacer Modification Piper PA-40 Arapaho View Large View MediumPhoto © Michael LoRusso Honda MH-02 Cessna Camera/Wheel Pant Installation The
234 Areopagus : In 1983 at MHV, I saw a P-3 with that same rectangular stab extension, with tufts attached. I was told that it contained an antenna.
235 Post contains links and images AeroWeanie : This one? View Large View MediumPhoto © George Canciani The antenna provides range telemetry, like these: View Large View MediumPhoto © Jea
236 Post contains images 2H4 : Beechcraft RC-12 Guardrail Holy parasite drag, Batman! Fairchild RC-26 Metro: 2H4
237 L-188 : Yup that is exactly what it is.
238 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Ten-thousand views later, I present my favorite example of an everyday aircraft with decidedly odd specifications: Beechcraft Bonanza with Gun Pods C
239 Flymatt2bermud : Thanks to everyone! 2H4 I still can't believe your portfolio! This has been such an interesting thread. My son and I check it daily for our fix! Keep
240 Post contains links and images 2H4 : So here we have either an elaborate joke, or an instance of our friend Buzz unsuccessfully managing a bad case of sleep deprivation: 2H4
241 Post contains links and images AeroWeanie : "A Piper Arrow modified with an extra fuel tank in place of the engine..." View Large View MediumPhoto © David Lednicer
242 Dw747400 : Speaking of strange aircraft, maybe one of you can help me with identifying one based on a decription. A friend of mine noticed a jet aircraft flying
243 Post contains links Starlionblue : I understand that you would think it isn't an Me-262. But it might well be a replica: http://www.stormbirds.com/project/index.html
244 Dw747400 : It is possible, but Me-262 is also a very well-known design, hence why it might come to mind before more obscure aircraft. I'd also be surprised if ev
245 L-188 : Could have been a 737 too.
246 Post contains images L-188 : For those who think I was joking in my last post.....compare.
247 Dw747400 : He said it was fighter/learjet sized, give or take a bit-- not an airliner. Plus the 732 ain't known for being quiet! Though that is a very interesti
248 Post contains images 2H4 : A NASA WB-57, perhaps? 2H4
249 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Winglets From Hell: I bet these send chills up AeroWeanie's spine.... 2H4
250 Starlionblue : Hehe. Nice ones. Well, lots of people have looked at eagles and tried to emulate their wingtip devices.
251 Post contains links and images AeroWeanie : Indeed they do! Here's one for you. This was Williams International's testbed for the FJ22 engine: And, while we are talking about Sabreliner testbed
252 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Spitfires on Floats: A Learjet for Austin Powers: Cessna on Tracked Landing Gear: Cessna 182 Diesel Conversion Another Shot of that 5-engine B-17 2H4
253 Post contains links LeanOfPeak : In answer to the earlier question about other models that have had rotaries, you might or might not be familiar with Mistral's Arrow. http://www.mistr
254 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Hey guys, check this out: View Large View MediumPhoto © Michal Hergott It was just added as an "Unknown", but I think it's a modified Cheyenne:
255 Post contains links and images JHSfan : Maybe it's time to refer to the pseudo-Quasimodo plane N747BC: See also http://boeingmedia.com/imageDetail.cfm?id=14558&clr=release Maybe being somewh
256 Areopagus : Yup. You got it, in a photo taken 22 years later.
257 FLY2HMO : Jeez, did that thing actually fly?
258 2H4 : I'm not sure. It was at Oshkosh, but I suppose they could have installed the tracks after it flew there on wheels.... 2H4
259 FlyMatt2Bermud : Thanks JHS. I think I'm having as much fun as anyone getting my daily fix from these incredible posts!! I appreciate all the contributions!!
260 Post contains links and images 9A-CRO : I'd add this Blanik modification used for testing laminar airflow wing and tail (between fuselages)
261 Post contains links and images JRadier : and a strange looking BAC 1-11 View Large View MediumPhoto © Jurgen Radier
262 SlamClick : This Thread Is Too Long! Time to start a V2.0 maybe? I would but I don't have anything to contribute.
263 Post contains links BuyantUkhaa : It was already there: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_ops/read.main/161309
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