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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737family/pf/pf_900ER_back.html
With the B737-900ER on the Assembly line.How would it Impact the sale of the B737-900.
Any Flt ops/Mx Views.
regds
MEL


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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 983 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4433 times:

The base 737-900 will no longer be offered now that the ER is being produced.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4390 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):



The base 737-900 will no longer be offered now that the ER is being produced.

Interesting.
Is a Buy back offer from Boeing on the Cards for Existing B739 Operators.
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MEL



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User currently offlineSP90 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

Has the 737 series reached it's max length with this version of the aircraft? I mean how much more can they stretch the frame before issues like weight, flex and CG adversely affect the performance of the airplane?

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4311 times:

Quoting SP90 (Reply 3):
Has the 737 series reached it's max length with this version of the aircraft

Looks so.
Its been around quite some time Now.Guess with the B787 if sucessfull,things would change drastically.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineLeftWing From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4214 times:

Maybe a 757 with new engines and new flt deck and wing lets....gives you a 737NG-1000ER..and may be with wing from the 787 get a LR version

User currently offlineSP90 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4154 times:

Quoting LeftWing (Reply 5):
Maybe a 757 with new engines and new flt deck and wing lets....gives you a 737NG-1000ER..and may be with wing from the 787 get a LR version

With the 787 on the way, would anyone order that?  Smile


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

Any Unsold B739s Lying Around yet.What are the B739 operators Views now that the B739ER would soon be Available.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

What's the status on the first 737-900ER? I'd guess that it's being rigged for flight testing, right?

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3836 times:


Looks Good.
 Smile
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MEL



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 1):
The base 737-900 will no longer be offered now that the ER is being produced.

I agree with that. Now I hope that AS actually places a firm order for the aircraft and phase out the base 739 model.

Quoting SP90 (Reply 3):
Has the 737 series reached it's max length with this version of the aircraft? I mean how much more can they stretch the frame before issues like weight, flex and CG adversely affect the performance of the airplane?

Not if they put longer landing gears on them, making it look like a mini-me compareing it to the 752. LOL!



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 10):
I agree with that. Now I hope that AS actually places a firm order for the aircraft and phase out the base 739 model.

9W too has placed an order for the B739ER.They currently operate a few B739s.I think it would make sense to send those back.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineLubicon From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

Quoting Brendows (Reply 8):
What's the status on the first 737-900ER? I'd guess that it's being rigged for flight testing, right?

Pretty close. I saw it very recently in Renton. It is built and the Boeing people are doing measurements and tests on it right now (weights etc). I don't think it has flown yet.


User currently offline787KQ From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

Why didn't Boeing give the 900ER the legs to fly more transatlantic flights now that the 757 is out of production?

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17178 posts, RR: 66
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 13):
Why didn't Boeing give the 900ER the legs to fly more transatlantic flights now that the 757 is out of production?

For a couple of reasons:
- There's only so much you can do with the airframe. You would have to increase tankage to the such a degree that it would encroach on luggage/cargo/payload. Longer aircraft with the same wing = less fuel in proportion to weight. Stretches typically have shorter range.
- Little demand for such an aircraft. If there was big demand, the 757 would still be in production.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 14):
Little demand for such an aircraft. If there was big demand, the 757 would still be in production

Also to add.Fleet Commonality makes it advantages to have a fleet of B737NGs aka A320 Family. $$$ saving matters.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineVictorTango From India, joined Jan 2005, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3222 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 11):
9W too has placed an order for the B739ER

Is that true Mel? BTW they have 2 right now VT-JGC and VT-JGD.

Olly


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Quoting VictorTango (Reply 16):
Is that true Mel? BTW they have 2 right now VT-JGC and VT-JGD.

Olly

Thats true The Existing ones are B739s.

9W will probably replace them with the New B739ER Aircraft when delivered.
regds
MEL



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User currently offline787KQ From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 14):
Little demand for such an aircraft. If there was big demand, the 757 would still be in production.

The 757 wasn't crossing the pond as much as it now does. Airlines weren't taking full advantage of its capabilities until recently. There is no airliner to fill the role as a good domestic and niche transatlantic plane in the meantime and there won't be until... So why not offer the capability. Perhaps the fuel capacity on the 800 could be increased to offer an slightly small but capable aircraft for the role.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17178 posts, RR: 66
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 18):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 14):
Little demand for such an aircraft. If there was big demand, the 757 would still be in production.

The 757 wasn't crossing the pond as much as it now does. Airlines weren't taking full advantage of its capabilities until recently. There is no airliner to fill the role as a good domestic and niche transatlantic plane in the meantime and there won't be until... So why not offer the capability. Perhaps the fuel capacity on the 800 could be increased to offer an slightly small but capable aircraft for the role.

You have a point about a long and thin route aircraft. But I still don't know if there's enough demand to justify a radical change to the 739ER (and the 321).



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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 18):
Perhaps the fuel capacity on the 800 could be increased to offer an slightly small but capable aircraft for the role.



Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 19):
But I still don't know if there's enough demand to justify a radical change to the 739ER (and the 321).

I think the likes of ANA's future long ranger more than satisfies the demand for range if not capacity, so a radically altered 739 might be obviated, were it not for CASM issues.



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User currently offlineJayinKitsap From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2986 times:

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 20):
think the likes of ANA's future long ranger more than satisfies the demand for range if not capacity, so a radically altered 739 might be obviated

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q1/060131a_nr.html excerpt
SEATTLE, Jan. 31, 2006 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] today launched the 737-700ER (Extended Range), following an order conversion from ANA (All Nippon Airways) for two airplanes. The 737-700ER has the longest range capability of any 737 commercial family member, and is able to serve new nonstop, point-to-point routes profitably.

The airplane features the fuselage of the commercial 737-700 and the wings and landing gear of the larger 737-800. The high-performance derivative can fly up to 2,145 nautical miles farther than the current 737-700. With up to nine optional auxiliary fuel tanks and optional Blended Winglets, the 737-700ER is capable of flying up to 5,510 nautical miles.

I think you implied about ANA's new 737-700ER but your post reads as it is a 900ER variant.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

Any plans for BBJ based on B737-700ER.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineChksix From Sweden, joined Sep 2005, 345 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

Hawk, the BBJ and the 700ER is the same aircraft with different cabin configs.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Quoting Chksix (Reply 23):
Hawk, the BBJ and the 700ER is the same aircraft with different cabin configs.

Isn't the BBJ1 a B737-700 not a B737-700ER ie Flat Rear pressure Bulkhead.
regds
MEL



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25 Speedracer1407 : Perhaps the reason why stretched versions of the 737 aren't offering near-757 capacity and range capabilities is that the 757 isn't "old" yet. Produc
26 Post contains links Chksix : I didn't know about the bulkhead... I got my info from http://www.b737.org.uk/ and http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/bbj1/specs.html among
27 DEVILFISH : Yes, I implied ANA's 737-700ER and was fully aware it's a -700 variant, that's why I remarked that a substantially reworked 739 might not be needed,
28 Brendows : Does someone have any more details about/pictures showing how the two-position tail skid on this bird functions?
29 HAWK21M : Any Pics on this Flat Rear Pressure Bulkhead. regds MEL
30 IAHFLYR : Is it true that the CO order didn't include ETOPS certification???
31 Post contains links DEVILFISH : Guys, enjoy the first..... http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...+737-900ER+roll-out+in+Renton.html
32 HAWK21M : Nice Pics.Why a 5 month test programme.There arn't many changes.Whats the reason. regds MEL
33 EssentialPowr : To add to that quote, the more diverse a family becomes, the more niche models with lower production runs that can be made and still be profitable.
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