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ATR 42/72 - Why Is The Cargo Bin In Front?

N353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 739 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5600 times:

My question is a pretty simple one - Is there any specific reason ATR put the cargo hold in front on the 42/72?

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Rendezvous From New Zealand, joined May 2001, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5592 times:

Maybe this option provided the best utilisation of space - toilet at the back where it's narrow, and cargo up the front where it's wide etc. This could also reduce aft-heavy situations during loading of cargo.

Everytime I've seen an ATR it has a tail stand thing attatched to it...

HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5564 times:

Thats called The Tail support Assy.Avoids Tipping over on Ground.
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Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5510 times:

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ATR already had cargo versions in mind when they originally designed the ATR-42/72. Saves on having to cut out and install a forward cargo door (Although with new-built ATR Freighters, they have a larger forward cargo door, and the older ATRs can be coverted to the Full Freighter standard with the larger door so they can accomodate standard ULD containers). Some operators use their ATRs in a quick change variant, and fly passengers during the day and cargo at night. FedEx's ATR-42 Freighters retain the original cargo door:

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SlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

Other similar configured planes that had that feature were the Convairs and the F-27s.

I assumed that it had to do with restraint of cargo rules favoring placing it forward of all the passenger seats. Combis are usually set up this way.

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EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5468 times:

Quoting N353SK (Thread starter):
Is there any specific reason ATR put the cargo hold in front on the 42/72?

Because the aft area is taken up with the aft cargo compartment. It's just the way ATR designed it.

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A342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4655 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5451 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4):
Combis are usually set up this way.

The 747M/E and MD-11C must be nightmares to load.

Exceptions confirm the rule.

Ilikeyyc From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5447 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4):
I assumed that it had to do with restraint of cargo rules favoring placing it forward of all the passenger seats. Combis are usually set up this way.

Probably more to do with weight and balance to keep the plane from resting on its tail when on the ground by keeping the heavier cargo up front. I think the cargo restraint rules would be the same considering there are crew in front of the cargo too.

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HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5383 times:

Quoting Ilikeyyc (Reply 7):
Probably more to do with weight and balance to keep the plane from resting on its tail when on the ground by keeping the heavier cargo up front. I think the cargo restraint rules would be the same considering there are crew in front of the cargo too.

Wouldn't the Avoidance of Cargo crashing into the Pax on Deceleration be the Primary Issue if the Cargo was loaded Aft.
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Ilikeyyc From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5377 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Wouldn't the Avoidance of Cargo crashing into the Pax on Deceleration be the Primary Issue if the Cargo was loaded Aft.

I'm not sure what you are getting at. Of course cargo coming through the 9G wall into pax would be the concern since they would be fwd of the wall. Cargo coming through any wall is a problem. I think the avoidance of cargo crashing into the crew would be the primary issue since they are the ones in control of the airplane.

But, again, I think the primary reason why combis are loaded from the front is for weight and balance to keep the airplane from falling on its tail.

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N353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5302 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 5):
Because the aft area is taken up with the aft cargo compartment. It's just the way ATR designed it.

I didn't know that. So there's a forward compartment and an aft compartment?

411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5292 times:

>>Other similar configured planes that had that feature were the Convairs and the F-27s.<<

F.27/227's had main deck baggage up front, Convairs had baggage underfloor, with pax airplanes.

Not quite the same.

Web From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

How do the pilots get into the flight deck? Do they enter through the cargo hold?

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Starlionblue From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 15871 posts, RR: 66
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5184 times:

Quoting Web (Reply 12):
How do the pilots get into the flight deck? Do they enter through the cargo hold?

IIRC they have their own door and also access through the hold. Can't remember exactly.

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Ilikeyyc From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5158 times:

On ASA's ATRs there is an aisle that runs from the flight deck through the middle of the fwd cargo hold to the pax cabin. Pilot and F/A access is from the cabin.

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VictorTango From India, joined Jan 2005, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

Quoting Ilikeyyc (Reply 14):
On ASA's ATRs there is an aisle that runs from the flight deck through the middle of the fwd cargo hold to the pax cabin. Pilot and F/A access is from the cabin.

Right. A cargo net divides the fwd cargo hold into two halves, one on each side of the aisle. This allows the cockpit crew access to the deck through the cabin and the cargo hold.

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Ptrjong From Netherlands, joined Mar 2005, 3770 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5058 times:

Here's a close-up of a forward cargo door on an ATR-42.

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HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

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