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Russian Plane Cabin Smell  
User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4312 times:

I have flown on several versions of the TU-154, Tu-134, and IL-86 and they all have a distinct cabin smell common to all of them. Western planes usually smell like Jet-A initially and/or whatever food/coffee is cooking. Soooo, since the Russian plane smell is so instantly recognizeable (and not at all bad), what is the cause of it?

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User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4244 times:

Body odor. I may be flamed for saying this, but the Russian sense of
hygiene is different than that of the Western World.
When SU flew out of SFO you could smell the check-in line halfway through
the connecting tunnel from the south terminal to the international terminal.



First, benzene in my Perrier, and now this!
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

Could it be a Commonly used Material in the Aircraft Interiors.Can you describe this Smell.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

It is not body odor, the smell even comes out of the fans on the IL-86. It must be some material; I don't remember smelling it on Russian-operated Boeing aircraft. It is very hard to describe the smell, if I could, I would know what it was  Wink

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4171 times:

Probably The Cushion Material or the Carpet.
regds
MEL



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4171 times:
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Reminds me of old Volkswagen Beetles. They all seem to have the same unique interior scent. It's not objectionable or bad....just unique.




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User currently offlineMrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 938 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4146 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 5):
Reminds me of old Volkswagen Beetles. They all seem to have the same unique interior scent. It's not objectionable or bad....just unique.

More than just the Beetles - every German car smells the same. To me, it is kind of a sweet but ever so slightly acrid smell. All the VWs my family owned, my Merc and the Porsche 911 my father used to own smelled like this.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 5):
Reminds me of old Volkswagen Beetles. They all seem to have the same unique interior scent. It's not objectionable or bad....just unique.

The Taxi's in Mumbai have a Particular Smell.Due to the Seat Material used.
In the Russian Aircraft case.Its probably similiar.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineEHRD From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

I know exactly what you mean. That is a typical Eastern European smell. Two years ago I was on a Tupolev 154 (first time on an Russian airliner) and was surprised by the smell when I entered the plane. I was expecting an typical "airliner smell" but this reminded me to old Polish and Russian trains, buses and ships which had the same smell about 20 years ago. I think it has to do with the materials they use in Eastern-Europe.

User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3970 times:

IIRC the Russian designers tended to use less synthetic fibres in the contstruction of padding/carpets etc to cut down on toxic fumes in case of a fire. I remember the one time I saw and IL-62 from Tarom a lot of the serfuces in the lav etc were metal when the are plastics on the Boeing / Airbii.

User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

I only flew Aeroflot once many years ago, but there was DEFINITELY a strong body odor smell. Took a few days once in Moscow to get used to it.

User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

Quoting EHRD (Reply 8):

I know this smell. My grandparent's were Eastern European and their clothes/apartment had this smell. I think it partly has to do with body chemistry and the type of food eaten.

Just like when you walk into a Chinese household, it most always smells of fish and rice.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 10):
I only flew Aeroflot once many years ago, but there was DEFINITELY a strong body odor smell. Took a few days once in Moscow to get used to it.

Interesting.Isn't Air Freshners regulary sprayed.Also could be the Aircraft was AOG for some time prior.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2577 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

My only experience of Aeroflot was many years ago, when they still had the CCCP registration prefix. However the smell reminded me of just one thing, as I had recent experience of it on a small boat: chemical toilet fluid. I suspected the plumbing on a Tu-154 might be different from usual the western system, although the toilets themselves were certainly clean. The smell was the same on each of the flights I took. Peculiar but not unpleasant.

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 1):
Body odor. I may be flamed for saying this, but the Russian sense of hygiene is different than that of the Western World.

Have you even met many Russians? Or did you get that nugget of information from an unbiassed source, like Fox News  Wink . My own experience of Russians, both at home and abroad, is that they are no more or no less careful with personal hygiene than any other nationality.

National "odours" come from diet much more than hygiene, anyway.



The glass isn't half empty, or half full, it's twice as big as it needs to be.
User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

Well, having lived in Russia for several years, I can say that Russian males in general sometimes smell like BO, especially in the summer. Just ride a crowded bus in mid-July for a good whiff. Dandruf is also common as there is an old Russian superstition about washing one's hair more than once a week makes it fall out. This is much more common in the provinces, however.

The plane smell has nothing to do with it in this case. Sheremetyevo I and II have their own Russian-ish smell as well (which is also not BO).


User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2577 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

Quoting Afay1 (Reply 14):
I can say that Russian males in general sometimes smell like BO

Point taken. Though to be pedantic "smell like BO" is a tautology. I didn't spend years there, and it was in the Communist era. I also had no desire to get too close to Russian males. Perhaps the State stopped providing deodorant?  yuck 



The glass isn't half empty, or half full, it's twice as big as it needs to be.
User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3835 times:

You caught me, it is indeed a mistake as odor is part of the acronym. Actually, the dissolution of the USSR was a disaster for public personal hygenie as most of the municipal banyas (saunas) closed, making it harder for poor people to stay clean. I am not too bothered by BO, so of the things that are difficult for foreigners in Russia, that was not one of them.

Actually, some Russians complain that the US doesn't seem real because (among other things) it doesn't "smell" like anything. I do have Russia flashbacks whenever I smell especially strong truck exhaust, catch a whiff of a trainyard, or smell some combinations of foods. They are pleasant memories actually...


User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 13):
Have you even met many Russians? Or did you get that nugget of information from an unbiassed source, like Fox News . My own experience of Russians, both at home and abroad, is that they are no more or no less careful

I speak from experience. I was in the jetway for the inaugural KHV-SFO SU
flight and everyone reeled when the door was opened.
I also flew GDX-KHV in an IL62, and it was not a pleasant experience.
And forget the Fox news crap.

[Edited 2006-08-08 07:33:47]


First, benzene in my Perrier, and now this!
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

Quoting Afay1 (Reply 14):
which is also not BO

I still don't get the meaning.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineMarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3740 times:

MEL,
BO = Body Odor



Release your seat-belts and get out! Leave everything!
User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17175 posts, RR: 66
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3708 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 12):
Isn't Air Freshners regulary sprayed.

Aren't air fresheners a problem due to allergies? They certainly make my nose crinkle. Personally, I think air fresheners are a way for people to avoid proper cleaning. They mask odors.

Quoting Afay1 (Reply 14):
Dandruf is also common as there is an old Russian superstition about washing one's hair more than once a week makes it fall out.

Interestingly, washing your hair too much can lead to dandruff. It's all in how dry the scalp is. The correct shampoo and conditioner for your hair and scalp are more important than frequency.

Having said that, it's a long time since I used shampoo and conditioner. Like 5 years or so.

Quoting Afay1 (Reply 16):
Actually, some Russians complain that the US doesn't seem real because (among other things) it doesn't "smell" like anything.

Lol. I find the US full of artificial smells from so called air fresheners. I miss the clean smell of Scandinavia sometimes. Just soap and water, like...



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2577 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3683 times:

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 17):
I speak from experience. I was in the jetway for the inaugural KHV-SFO SU
flight and everyone reeled when the door was opened.
I also flew GDX-KHV in an IL62, and it was not a pleasant experience.
And forget the Fox news crap.

That's it? Two experiences?

I should imagine any airliner cabin might be a little toastie after such a long flight. No one, Russian or not, gets a chance to clean up properly. Of course if they aren't too clean to start with....

My three Aeroflot flights were in the communist era, no particular BO issues I can recall. You see a lot of Russian tourists in Europe these days, again, no unusual BO problems. Maybe the tourists are rich enough to afford western toiletries.

Sorry about the Fox News jibe, but the BO comment you made is the kind of sweeping statement I'd expect to hear from one of their more biassed commentators. At least we agree that the three words Fox, news and crap belong together  Smile



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3662 times:

Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 19):
BO = Body Odor

Thanks.I was thinking too much I guess  biggrin 
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3651 times:

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 21):
That's it? Two experiences?

No, I had to deal with SU and their pax on a regular basis.
Everytime there was a flight going out, and pax were lining up at the
counter you would have the same smell.



First, benzene in my Perrier, and now this!
User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2577 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 23):
No, I had to deal with SU and their pax on a regular basis.
Everytime there was a flight going out, and pax were lining up at the
counter you would have the same smell.

Some people get all the good jobs  Smile



The glass isn't half empty, or half full, it's twice as big as it needs to be.
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 25, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 23):
Everytime there was a flight going out, and pax were lining up at the
counter you would have the same smell.

Let me guess.You kept an Air Freshner nearby  Smile
regds
MEL



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