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Do Pilots Use The Handholds In The Cockpit?  
User currently offlineMechEngineer From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 46 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6471 times:

A question to all you pilots, especially those whose "office" is smallish and a bit cramped (not-A380):

Do you actually use the provided handholds in the cockpit (overhead, in the glareshield, etc.), i.e when you get in and out of your seat, or adjust your seat up and down, or fore and aft?

Is there a design you find quite useful, or maybe one that seems clever, but is impractical to use in reality? What would you like to tell the designer, if you had the chance to grab one by the collar?


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User currently offlineRaginMav From United States of America, joined May 2004, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6469 times:

I know the Beechjet (fairly small cockpit) pilots at the company I work for use them all the time, both getting into/out of seats, and while seated

User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2543 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6452 times:

Sitting in the standard Boeing seats (with the small flipper release levers), it is very difficult to adjust the seat vertically without taking your weight off it by using the grab handle. Horizontal adjustment is also harder without using the handle.

The Ipeco type seats, with longer levers, can easily be adjusted without using the grab handle for balance, the same goes for motorised seats of course.

Surely the main purpose of the handle is to provide somewhere to hang the fluffy dice  Smile



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User currently offlineMechEngineer From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

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I know the Beechjet (fairly small cockpit) pilots at the company I work for use them all the time, both getting into/out of seats, and while seated.

Hi, Knowledge Sponge. The odd thing is that I can't see any handholds on the Beech photos at airliners.net
Can you tell me where these are, for preference on a current Beech design?



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User currently offlineMechEngineer From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6439 times:

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Surely the main purpose of the handle is to provide somewhere to hang the fluffy dice.

I've been told the FAA has a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking about the exact size and location of fluffy dice in transport-category aircraft, which will become compulsory on April 1st 2010. I do hope your simulators comply, or you'll be out of business.



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4772 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6287 times:
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I see our pilots use them all the time.


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User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6263 times:

Quoting MechEngineer (Reply 3):
Hi, Knowledge Sponge. The odd thing is that I can't see any handholds on the Beech photos at airliners.net
Can you tell me where these are, for preference on a current Beech design?

MechEngineer,

The handhold is located aft and central to the overhead instrument panel.


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Basically, just behind airspeed placard.

Personally, I'm a fan of the classic handle on the windscreen. Like on the Hawker 850. Its nice to rest your hand on during flight.


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This picture is shot wide angle, so it looks funny, but you can see the handles in the corners.

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6182 times:

Maintenance wise. Sure Always Use them especially while Adjusting the Seats on a B737/757.  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2543 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6098 times:

Quoting MechEngineer (Reply 4):
I've been told the FAA has a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking about the exact size and location of fluffy dice in transport-category aircraft, which will become compulsory on April 1st 2010. I do hope your simulators comply, or you'll be out of business.

LOL. Fluffy Dice Positioning compliance is an absolute priority.

Years ago, the company I then worked for made a low cost Fokker 100 systems trainer, where the grab handles (inset in the windshield frame, see photo) were there for appearance purposes only and not very strong. Needless to say, they did not last long once pilots started to use it.


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6095 times:

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 8):
Years ago, the company I then worked for made a low cost Fokker 100 systems trainer, where the grab handles (inset in the windshield frame, see photo) were there for appearance purposes only and not very strong.

Were the Seats in the Trainer Movable.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2543 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6085 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 9):
Were the Seats in the Trainer Movable.

I think they were, I can't remember exactly, but pilots would grab the handles instinctively.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5976 times:

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 10):
I think they were, I can't remember exactly, but pilots would grab the handles instinctively.

Can't blame them then.
If you are providing Movable seats in a Trainer that Resembles an Aircraft,its bound to occur.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5955 times:

Quoting MechEngineer (Thread starter):
What would you like to tell the designer, if you had the chance to grab one by the collar?

Ah, come on, play nice.
I already get that treatment from the mechanics.  Wink

Quoting MechEngineer (Reply 4):
I've been told the FAA has a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking about the exact size and location of fluffy dice in transport-category aircraft, which will become compulsory on April 1st 2010. I do hope your simulators comply, or you'll be out of business.

No worries, we are already working on a alternate means of compliance utilizing those tree shaped air fresheners.

Tod


User currently offlineJetlagged From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 2543 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 11):
Can't blame them then.
If you are providing Movable seats in a Trainer that Resembles an Aircraft,its bound to occur.

Wasn't blaming them at all. Just pointing out that instincts and habits can override other warnings. Whether the seats are movable or not will not change that.

Nobody realised that until the crews began to use it. Obviously we had noticed the handholds were flimsy (cheap out-sourced structure).



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5912 times:

Quoting Jetlagged (Reply 13):
Wasn't blaming them at all.

I did not mean that.Guess the words were wrong.Rephrasing,I was Implying Crew are used to some procedure & will follow it.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineMechEngineer From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5907 times:

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No worries, we are already working on a alternate means of compliance utilizing those tree shaped air fresheners.

Somehow, I'm getting the impression you're not taking this thread seriously, Tod...



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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2789 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5846 times:

I use the handholds in our EMB-135/145 aircraft when adjusting my seat forward and back. I don't find it useful or necessary for getting in and out of the seat.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

Quoting Modesto2 (Reply 16):
I don't find it useful or necessary for getting in and out of the seat.

Do those seats slide For-Aft.If so where do you place your free hand when you move the seat back to egress.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2789 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5585 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 17):
Do those seats slide For-Aft.If so where do you place your free hand when you move the seat back to egress.

Yes, they slide forwards and backwards. I just put my free hand on the seat itself and turn around. It doesn't take THAT much to get out of the seat.


User currently offlineMechEngineer From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5409 times:

OK, thanks for the information, everyone. Apparently, cockpit handholds are universally used and the current designs do what they're supposed to do. Watch out for the handholds in a utility jet that will be on the market next year.
Happy landings.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5405 times:

Quoting MechEngineer (Reply 19):
Watch out for the handholds in a utility jet that will be on the market next year

Whats special about them.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineNonfirm From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 434 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5404 times:

I use the handhold it the 737 everytime we tow or taxi to help adjust my seat.
 airplane 


User currently offlineMechEngineer From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5372 times:

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What's special about them.

Nothing. You missed your chance.

Seriously, I was looking for some elegant-looking handhold from a non-aviation application that can be moved out of the way when not in use, but wanted to make sure I hadn't missed an operational aspect that might make the concept impractical, that's why I asked you pilots (the customer wouldn't want me to name the aircraft in an internet forum, alas).

Ralph



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