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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4392 times:
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After reading the Privatair PR on their new 767, I was looking at their fleet and I found two interesting things I was hoping someone could clear up for me out of curiosity.

a) Their BBJ fleet requires 2 pilots and an engineer. The BBJ2s and A319s require only two pilots. What's the role of the engineer on the BBJ?

b) Any particular reason why Privatair bought almost the entire line of Gulfstream jets (II, III IV and IVSP) but when it came to very long haul, they went with Bombardier's Global 5000 rather than the Gulfstream V?


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User currently offlineRamerinianAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4187 times:

a) I really don't know
b) I understand that Bombardier probably gave a larger discount for and already slightly cheaper aircraft.
SR



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User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4180 times:

The 'engineer' is the equiv of an a&p....able to do mtc work and sign off on type. That is to your benefit as the customer...you want this...as any mtc deal will be handled quickly by authorized personnel under salary to the company that flies the jet instead of moe and larry sleeping under a tarp called up to look at it and having to follow instructions long distance and all those problems could entail.

User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1765 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4135 times:
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Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 2):
as any mtc deal will be handled quickly by authorized personnel under salary to the company that flies the jet instead of moe and larry sleeping under a tarp called up to look at it and having to follow instructions long distance and all those problems could entail.

More importantly, perhaps, is the fact that your trained on-staff engineer can supervise the work that moe and larry do, and certify it on the spot - instead of the company having to depend on a third party supervisor to do so.

This gives you absolute direct control over the QA aspect of any mtc done.

Assuming the work in question is something the engineer himself can't do.

A very, very lucrative thing I'm sure when you fly airplanes to all sorts of places, many of which probably don't have direct support for large Boeings.

The idea is to minimize downtime to the customer/passenger, while ensuring your QA standards stay intact.

BTW - they also usually fly with a fairly sizable supply of spare parts, too.

- litz


User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4040 times:
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Thanks for your replies, guys, it all makes sense to me.


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User currently offlineJasond From Australia, joined Jul 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3876 times:

Given the client base why take the risk of not having this rather useful individual. Smart guys are Privatair, very impressed with what they do.

User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3818 times:

A lot of charter carriers carry a mechanic on board. I know my company either has them on board, or has at least one in each destination city.
As stated above, it makes things a lot easier.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23022 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3740 times:

We've not answered the second part of his question, though. Why do they carry an A&P on some fleet types and not others? Is it that the BBJ2s and ACJs are going places they can get m/x (flying the KL and LH routes to the States, for example), or is something else at work?


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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4695 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
flying the KL route

KLM operates a BBJ1, so that is out of the question/



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User currently offlinePietPiloot From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
We've not answered the second part of his question, though. Why do they carry an A&P on some fleet types and not others? Is it that the BBJ2s and ACJs are going places they can get m/x (flying the KL and LH routes to the States, for example), or is something else at work?

The KLM flights to Houston do not have an engineer on board, only two pilots. KLM Engineering & Maintenance provides the technical support.

Remco


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

Quoting BlueFlyer (Thread starter):
What's the role of the engineer on the BBJ

Reffered to as Engineer on Flight duty  Smile & not a flight Engineer.In other words an A&P qualified to attend to the Aircraft during stops.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineVc10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1411 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3412 times:

Hawk21M
---- It was normal for F/E to qualified to attend to their aircraft during stops whether transit or overnight and to fix the beasts as well, always supposing we had the spares.

Well this was definately the case with UK airlines

littlevc10  zzz 


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

Quoting Vc10 (Reply 11):
It was normal for F/E to qualified to attend to their aircraft during stops whether transit or overnight and to fix the beasts as well, always supposing we had the spares.

True.But on the B737 they are not Flight Engineers but Engineers on Flight duty,as they work on the Ground.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineVC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1411 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

Hawk ----I know what you mean and accept it 100%, just trying to remind people that the old F/E would work on the ground too, even with that Big Airline  Smile

Anyway Be happy littlevc10


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

Quoting VC10 (Reply 13):
Hawk ----I know what you mean and accept it 100%, just trying to remind people that the old F/E would work on the ground too, even with that Big Airline

Cheers.
regds
MEL



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