BlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3121 posts, RR: 1 Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3603 times:
After reading the Privatair PR on their new 767, I was looking at their fleet and I found two interesting things I was hoping someone could clear up for me out of curiosity.
a) Their BBJ fleet requires 2 pilots and an engineer. The BBJ2s and A319s require only two pilots. What's the role of the engineer on the BBJ?
b) Any particular reason why Privatair bought almost the entire line of Gulfstream jets (II, III IV and IVSP) but when it came to very long haul, they went with Bombardier's Global 5000 rather than the Gulfstream V?
RamerinianAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3398 times:
a) I really don't know
b) I understand that Bombardier probably gave a larger discount for and already slightly cheaper aircraft.
SR
Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2118 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3391 times:
The 'engineer' is the equiv of an a&p....able to do mtc work and sign off on type. That is to your benefit as the customer...you want this...as any mtc deal will be handled quickly by authorized personnel under salary to the company that flies the jet instead of moe and larry sleeping under a tarp called up to look at it and having to follow instructions long distance and all those problems could entail.
Litz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1745 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3346 times:
Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 2): as any mtc deal will be handled quickly by authorized personnel under salary to the company that flies the jet instead of moe and larry sleeping under a tarp called up to look at it and having to follow instructions long distance and all those problems could entail.
More importantly, perhaps, is the fact that your trained on-staff engineer can supervise the work that moe and larry do, and certify it on the spot - instead of the company having to depend on a third party supervisor to do so.
This gives you absolute direct control over the QA aspect of any mtc done.
Assuming the work in question is something the engineer himself can't do.
A very, very lucrative thing I'm sure when you fly airplanes to all sorts of places, many of which probably don't have direct support for large Boeings.
The idea is to minimize downtime to the customer/passenger, while ensuring your QA standards stay intact.
BTW - they also usually fly with a fairly sizable supply of spare parts, too.
BlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3121 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3251 times:
Thanks for your replies, guys, it all makes sense to me.
Flyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1334 posts, RR: 27 Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3029 times:
A lot of charter carriers carry a mechanic on board. I know my company either has them on board, or has at least one in each destination city.
As stated above, it makes things a lot easier.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21240 posts, RR: 19 Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2951 times:
We've not answered the second part of his question, though. Why do they carry an A&P on some fleet types and not others? Is it that the BBJ2s and ACJs are going places they can get m/x (flying the KL and LH routes to the States, for example), or is something else at work?
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PietPiloot From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 34 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2664 times:
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7): We've not answered the second part of his question, though. Why do they carry an A&P on some fleet types and not others? Is it that the BBJ2s and ACJs are going places they can get m/x (flying the KL and LH routes to the States, for example), or is something else at work?
The KLM flights to Houston do not have an engineer on board, only two pilots. KLM Engineering & Maintenance provides the technical support.
Vc10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1381 posts, RR: 17 Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2623 times:
Hawk21M
---- It was normal for F/E to qualified to attend to their aircraft during stops whether transit or overnight and to fix the beasts as well, always supposing we had the spares.
Well this was definately the case with UK airlines
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2621 times:
Quoting Vc10 (Reply 11): It was normal for F/E to qualified to attend to their aircraft during stops whether transit or overnight and to fix the beasts as well, always supposing we had the spares.
True.But on the B737 they are not Flight Engineers but Engineers on Flight duty,as they work on the Ground.
regds
MEL
VC10 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1381 posts, RR: 17 Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2616 times:
Hawk ----I know what you mean and accept it 100%, just trying to remind people that the old F/E would work on the ground too, even with that Big Airline
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2591 times:
Quoting VC10 (Reply 13): Hawk ----I know what you mean and accept it 100%, just trying to remind people that the old F/E would work on the ground too, even with that Big Airline
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