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747 A380 Slide Of Death Photo  
User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8263 times:

The below photo of the emergency slide on the 747 looks kind of scary. Can a passenger go down that and not break bones? Will the A380s be of the same design? I am sure if it was between death by fire, and taking the slide, I would take the slide, but there has to be a better design.



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User currently offlineDH106 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 626 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8257 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Thread starter):
but there has to be a better design.

You mean - perhaps one that doesn't go down as far !  Big grin



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8243 times:

The point isn't to have a fun ride down a slide. It's to get to the ground as fast as possible, while limiting injuries. I may sprain my ankle, but it is far better than burning alive trying to get out through the bottom level.

Harry



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8242 times:
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IIRC, when the Gimli Glider (Air Canada flight 143) ran out of fuel, glided to an abandoned airstrip, and screeched to a stop with a collapsed nose gear, the only injuries occured on the evacuation slides.

I suspect this was a result of the nose gear being collapsed. The rearward section of the airplane was higher than normal, so the slides hung at an angle that was steeper than normal.

I've stood at an open door on a 747 upper deck, and I can tell you...the main exit would have to be blocked by a wall of flames for me to jump.



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User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8226 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 3):
I've stood at an open door on a 747 upper deck, and I can tell you...the main exit would have to be blocked by a wall of flames for me to jump.

I wonder how many of the 34 injuries that occured during the max-pax evac test on the A388 came from the upper deck slides versus lower. I don't think I've ever seen it spelled out...perhaps intentionally?



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8202 times:
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Quoting Lemurs (Reply 4):
I wonder how many of the 34 injuries that occured during the max-pax evac test on the A388 came from the upper deck slides versus lower. I don't think I've ever seen it spelled out...perhaps intentionally?

Good question. I'd love to see the data.

Slightly off-topic...does anyone know whether the A380's upper deck slides will the have covered 90-degree corners at the top? There was talk of including them to prevent evacuees from seeing the view down until they've already jumped onto the slide.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8201 times:

Question...(relating, to the photo). In a freighter, who arms the evac slides? I realize that in a 747, the upper doors are *always* armed, but in every other airliner model, this has to be an issue...


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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8180 times:

I would think a better design would be some kind of tube with an huge inflated pillow at the bottom. Like the kind you see kids bouncing on at carnivals

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 2):
It's to get to the ground as fast as possible, while limiting injuries

The slide shown above is almost at a 90 degree angle to the ground with a very little lip or landing zone at the bottom. I don't see how anyone can go down that with out injury.


User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8178 times:

People are supposed to go down the A380 slides two abreast. Imagine pairs of people running out the door and jumping side-by-side.

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8063 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 7):

The slide shown above is almost at a 90 degree angle to the ground with a very little lip or landing zone at the bottom. I don't see how anyone can go down that with out injury.

I really doubt it's close to 90 degrees. It's probably steep, but not that bad.

Harry



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16993 posts, RR: 67
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8019 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 3):

I suspect this was a result of the nose gear being collapsed. The rearward section of the airplane was higher than normal, so the slides hung at an angle that was steeper than normal.

Correct for the Gimli Glider.


It is an accepted "fact" not widely advertized by the airlines that an evacuation will probably involve a couple of sprains and maybe a broken bone or two. These are seen as preferable to the alternatives. You know, the charred flesh and stuff...



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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1362 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8015 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 6):
Question...(relating, to the photo). In a freighter, who arms the evac slides? I realize that in a 747, the upper doors are *always* armed, but in every other airliner model, this has to be an issue...

The pilots or the loadmaster.


User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8004 times:

You are being tricked by the optics of the camera.

When using a telephoto lens, the objects depicted appear compressed along the direction in which the photo is taken, i e flatter than they actually are. This makes the angle of the slide appear a lot steeper than it actually is.

That, however, does not change the fact that a few injuries are expected during any emergency evac. That's why they are a bit reluctant to blow the horn at times. They know that there'll be a broken bone or two, a few broken wrists, hips, sprained ankles etc.

Rgds,
/Fred



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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7995 times:

I would imagine elderly people would have abit of a problem even thinking about going down that slide. I can picture an elderly granny standing at the top, repeating over and over that she can't go down. She would end up holding people back up behind her and the flight attendant can not really just push her down.

Which makes me wonder, is there any rules about flying on the upper deck of a 747?

In case there is an emergency, all people on the top deck should be able to, if required, go down the steep emergency slide without much thought.



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User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7992 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 10):
It is an accepted "fact" not widely advertized by the airlines that an evacuation will probably involve a couple of sprains and maybe a broken bone or two. These are seen as preferable to the alternatives. You know, the charred flesh and stuff...

Yup, there have to be standards for that stuff when evaluating the evacuation methods for the planes, etc...I am pretty sure the acceptable maximum in a drill is 5%. That means the 34 injured pax on the A380 are well below the threshold for how many were in the plane (almost 900?)...a pretty impressive showing considering you had hundreds of people falling from many feet up in the air from that second deck. Good job on Airbus.



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User currently offlineThrottleHold From South Africa, joined Jul 2006, 655 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7979 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Thread starter):
747 A380 Slide Of Death Photo

That's a bit of a dramatic title!! Do you write headlines for the FOX Channel by any chance?


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7977 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 13):
She would end up holding people back up behind her and the flight attendant can not really just push her down.

If I see flames, grandma is getting a nice firm kick in the ass, and isn't going to have a choice.

Harry



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User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7960 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 16):
If I see flames, grandma is getting a nice firm kick in the ass, and isn't going to have a choice.

Harry

  

BTW, have a look at this other pic of the "established on the ILS" 742, it gives an idea of how much the slide slopes. looks as quite a ride...  


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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7948 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 16):
If I see flames, grandma is getting a nice firm kick in the ass, and isn't going to have a choice.

LOL poor granny. Do any airlines consider this sort of thing when allowing people on the top deck of the 747?



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User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7943 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Thread starter):
Can a passenger go down that and not break bones?

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Depends on where you park.

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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7939 times:

Quoting Tod (Reply 19):

Now that looks fun! When did this happen?!?! I presume it was a runway over run?



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User currently offlineTEBguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7934 times:

wow  laughing   rotfl 


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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7922 times:

Things such as the slide up there are tested over and over again, they don't just put an inflatable slide and hope for the best.

User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1724 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7922 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 20):
When did this happen?!?! I presume it was a runway over run?

Overrun at BKK a few years ago.

Tod


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7917 times:
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Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 15):
That's a bit of a dramatic title!! Do you write headlines for the FOX Channel by any chance?

The title of this thread is, in my opinion, one of the single greatest thread titles I've ever seen on A.net.  biggrin 



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25 Airfoilsguy : That one dosen't look so bad. That is histerical. Sort of a new meaning to adding insult to injury
26 Post contains images Tod : Didn't some granny break her neck in a Douglas evac test about 20 years ago? Tod
27 Post contains images N600RR : ...Sounds more like something from Mythbusters Hmmm, well the slide part looks tame enough, but going off the end...
28 Starlionblue : As Newark777 points out, granny would get a kick in the bum. To quote well known pointy eared science officer: "Sometimes the needs of the many outwe
29 Post contains images Tod : But that's no fun. Tod
30 Post contains images 2H4 : Come to think of it, that was the other main cause of injuries on the Gimli Glider evac. Apparently, there's enough friction to cause very severe bur
31 Post contains links and images MarkHKG : For the record, the UD slide in the picture was NOT opened by the cabin crew. It was opened by maintence personnel after the evacuation had taken pla
32 Skookum : At least lube it up with some lav blue-goo first.
33 Kaddyuk : I've been down a B744 UD Slide Before, its fast, but not dangerous... Not in the slightest... If you keep your whits about you and put your feet down
34 Post contains images MD11Engineer : Anybody know the inertia reels attached to the cockpit emergency hatch of the 747 (UPS used them also for their 757s)? You were supposed to don a harn
35 2H4 : I think that's the same equipment used by Batman. 2H4
36 Airfoilsguy : Great photos, I have been waiting to see what the A380 slides look like. They don't look any worse then those big slides you see at the fair.
37 HAWK21M : It all depends on the correct method used for Jumping on the slide. regds MEL
38 Post contains links MarkHKG : Check out the A380 evacuation trial video too... http://www.a380.singaporeair.com/gallery_home.html#
39 Pygmalion : The 747 also had only a hand reel, no diaper/harness. You grab on and slide down the side of the fuselage. I think they are all the same. Its still b
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