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How Do You Start A Commercial Plane?  
User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11842 times:

I am concerned maily about the 747, 777, 737, A340 and A330. Suppose you walk into a plane parked and a bay.. and have to strt it up.. what do u do? turn a key? press some buttons?

Always wondered.. but never known!

thanks
regards
nitin


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User currently offlineA3204eva From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1060 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11843 times:

APU - on
Packs - off
APU bleed
Start selector
Fuel on

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User currently offlineRaventom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11856 times:

For the 747-400 you would need to do something along the lines of:

Turn ON the BATTERY. Turn the STANDBY POWER switch to AUTO. Set all four ELEC ENG CONTROL switches to NORM. Set the BUS TIE switches to AUTO.
Set the GENERATOR CONTROL switches ON. Ensure that the Hydraulic DEMAND pump switches are set to OFF. Turn the ENGINE hydraulic pump selectors ON.
Turn on EXT PWR 1 and, if available, EXT PWR 2. turn ON UTILITY L and R.
Turn on all fuel XFEED (crossfeed) switches. Ensure all fuel pumps are OFF
Rotate the APU switch to START. Turn ON APU GEN 1 and APU GEN 2.
Ensure the ISLN switches are open. Turn ON APU Bleed. Turn ENGINE BLEED ON for all four engines. Turn ON MAIN and OVRD fuel pumps for each tank that contains fuel. Set Hydraulid DEMAND Pump selector 4 to AUX. Set Hydraulic DEMAND Pump selectors 1-3 to AUTO. Turn OFF all but one PACK selector
Turn OFF autostart. Turn ON continuous ignition.

Pull the Engine Start Selector for Engine 4.
When the N2% RPM indicator on the EICAS reaches the magenta line (around 14%), switch the Fuel Control Switch for Engine 4 to RUN.
Repeat this for engines 1, 2 and 3.

Turn OFF the APU.
Turn OFF APU Bleed Air.
Turn all PACK selectors to NORM
Set Hydraulid DEMAND Pump selector 4 to AUTO.

It's not like turning the key to your car exactly...  Wink



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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11752 times:

Quoting Raventom (Reply 2):
Turn ON the BATTERY. Turn the STANDBY POWER switch to AUTO. Set all four ELEC ENG CONTROL switches to NORM. Set the BUS TIE switches to AUTO

Out of curiosity, are the switch labels univerally in English or are they labeled in the native language of the operator?

Lincoln



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30978 posts, RR: 86
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11743 times:
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Quoting Lincoln (Reply 4):
Out of curiosity, are the switch labels univerally in English or are they labeled in the native language of the operator?

Should be English as that is the universal language of aviation.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8268 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11703 times:

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 6):
Let me guess, you are interested in take-offs, but not in landings?

I was thinking that exact same thing....

No offense or anything, guys, but in today's world is it really so smart to be giving away detailed checklists on this kind of thing?



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User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11682 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 7):
No offense or anything, guys, but in today's world is it really so smart to be giving away detailed checklists on this kind of thing?

Todays world is today world.. u cant really stop anyone from learning anything or gaining any knowledge. Specially with the www.

If u cant find it here.. im pretty sure you can find much more detailed documents on how to start a commercial airliner somwhere on the web.

The truth is (and i am no referring to you or anyone in particular) these days you have to beat the paranoia.. if someone wants to jack a plane.. he or she will do it come what may.. he wont go aorund posting stuff in the most obvious forums  Smile

regards
nitin



I want every single airport and airplane in India to be on A.net!
User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11679 times:

Quoting A3204eva (Reply 1):



Quoting Raventom (Reply 2):

Ah, I see Flight Simulator has come in handy for you guys.  wink 

-SOAC



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User currently offlineBringiton From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11656 times:

I wonder why such a long list of things that need to be done , maybe in the future they can have a computer ask for a pasword and bingo!!!

User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11655 times:

just for example:
http://www.smilinjack.com/cklist.html
http://www.meriweather.com/747/aft-747.html

regards
nitin



I want every single airport and airplane in India to be on A.net!
User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8268 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11657 times:

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 8):
he wont go aorund posting stuff in the most obvious forums

I beg to differ. Anyone looking for the information will find it any way they can, granted they can find it elsewhere too but we don't need to be pilfering it to them here. You could say that anyone looking to fly an airplane into something wouldn't learn how by going to the most obvious schools (same train of thought), but hey, they did.

There are some shady people out there and we need to be aware of that is all I'm saying, especially on an internationally known website like this one.

[Edited 2006-10-08 22:14:16]


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User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11638 times:

Ctrl+E.....right?

-SOAC



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8268 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11637 times:

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 10):
maybe in the future they can have a computer ask for a pasword and bingo!!!

To heck with being any more of a button pusher/computer attendant than is already required.



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User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11622 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 12):
I beg to differ. Anyone looking for the information will find it any way they can, granted they can find it elsewhere too but we don't need to be pilfering it to them here. You could say that anyone looking to fly an airplane into something wouldn't learn how by going to the most obvious schools (same train of thought), but hey, they did.

There are some shady people out there and we need to be aware of that is all I'm saying, especially on an internationally known website like this one.

Agreed... but i dont think we must be careful about what we should say or do... its kind of like free speech...

N766UA... no offence to you...  Smile just want to reiterate that.. its so easy to start arguing on here..

regards
nitin



I want every single airport and airplane in India to be on A.net!
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11623 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
Should be English as that is the universal language of aviation.

Unless you're in one of those weird airplanes with the puke-green cockpits.


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8268 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11599 times:

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 15):
N766UA... no offence to you... just want to reiterate that.. its so easy to start arguing on here..

Likewise, I'm not being critical of you personally, but I do think we should all be wary of what we say, that's all. It's not really a matter of free speech, it's a matter of the reality of the situation in the world today, particularly in our favorite pass-time.



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User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11598 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 16):

Unless you're in one of those weird airplanes with the puke-green cockpits.

haha.. thats insane... and to think that panel has a computer behind it! quite amazing! come to think of it.. advanced computers were used in aviation long before we guys got our pc's of today... they were prpbably using our computing power which we use today at that time... while we were struggling with the old 286's!

regards
nitin



I want every single airport and airplane in India to be on A.net!
User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3007 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11602 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 16):
Unless you're in one of those weird airplanes with the puke-green cockpits.

Ahem... They are anything but weird. They are awesome cockpits, with great controls. A lot more interaction between pilots and control in Russian birds...

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11598 times:

Quoting N766UA (Reply 17):
Likewise, I'm not being critical of you personally, but I do think we should all be wary of what we say, that's all. It's not really a matter of free speech, it's a matter of the reality of the situation in the world today, particularly in our favorite pass-time.

true that!



I want every single airport and airplane in India to be on A.net!
User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11577 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 19):

Ahem... They are anything but weird. They are awesome cockpits, with great controls. A lot more interaction between pilots and control in Russian birds...

Aeroflot777

I agree with you aeroflot! I think the russian aviation industry is really great. I mean they have such good machines.. unfortunate that the situations worked out such that they are considered "inferior"! Not true at all though. Anyways.. ia m looking forward to flying on one of your countries planes! hopefully in the future!



I want every single airport and airplane in India to be on A.net!
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11521 times:

I phrased that wrong. I meant to say, "one of those airplanes with the weird puke-green interiors." The choice of color could be a little more appealing.

Mark


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11492 times:

Step One: go over to the push back tug.

Step Two: Connect the black wire to the black terminal on the tug, and the black terminal on the aircraft.

Step Three: Repeat with the red wire.

Step Four: Have your buddy try the ignition

If it doesn't start, you may need to let it charge for a while. Revving the tug engine up while attempting to start may also help.


User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2104 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11417 times:

Well, forgive me for saying so, but your question was put into a various suspicious context:

"Suppose you walk into a plane parked and a bay.. and have to strt it up.."

Since all commercial jets have pretty much the same start up procedure, you could have asked "What is involved in starting a jet" But you did not. You inquired specifically about certain models, perhaps certain models, you or a friend, who may work at a airport, may have access to?

You are probably not a terrorist. But you are interested in exactly the type of thing that a terrorist would be interested in. And airliners.net would be one, if not the first, place they would go to get that information. In this day, after 9/11, hijacking a plane is probably impossible at worst, and a bad idea at best. But commandeering an empty plane from an airport is one scenario I know has a good chance of working. If the target is only miles from the airport, the military will have no chance of intercepting it.

Yes, this information is not secret information. But you must admit, the question does not sound kosher in the context in which it was posed.



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User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 973 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11366 times:

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 24):
You are probably not a terrorist. But you are interested in exactly the type of thing that a terrorist would be interested in. And airliners.net would be one, if not the first, place they would go to get that information. In this day, after 9/11, hijacking a plane is probably impossible at worst, and a bad idea at best. But commandeering an empty plane from an airport is one scenario I know has a good chance of working. If the target is only miles from the airport, the military will have no chance of intercepting it.

Starting the aircraft would be only the first step - there would be (usually) pushback, taxi, takeoff and then some fairly precise manoeuvering to be accomplished to give effect to the type of scenario you are suggesting.


User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11750 times:

Oh come on! I asked for those jets specifically because i WILL be flying on those later this month! And i am just curious! Infact i am even considering becoming a pilot.

If i am going to have to watch what i say on here because it may be "suspicious" that is just stupid and a sign of just paranoia! And as for my statement above about flying later this month.. i am flying around the world with my parents for a conference in brazil! I have no intentions of jacking a plane dude!

I asked about starting one when at a bay because i meant to imply that when a plane is completely off!

Anyways.. all i can say is lighten up.. be less paranoid.

regards
nitin



I want every single airport and airplane in India to be on A.net!
25 Dl757md : It's actually quite the opposite. Due to the stringent certification requirements of aircraft they are designed with older yet proven technology. Add
26 Post contains images Hmmmm... : So you were interested in how to start those airplanes, because you will be flying on all those planes later this month? Tell me that makes sense. An
27 Boston92 : yeah, I believe so!
28 Dl757md : No-No. It's much more comlpicated than that. 1. Press the power button. 2. Enter power-on password if any. 3. Press Ctrl-Alt-Delete 4. Enter username
29 Post contains images Cadet57 : Yes, but I've seen a closeup of the IL-96 flightdeck and it was in Cryllic. Dont for get to close the doors! LSHIFT+E
30 AirNZ : Oh please, come on! The guy was asking a simple question out of pure curiosity, and one which is quite normal sense irrespective of what you may beli
31 Satx : I don't really know what the hell I'm talking about, but sometimes it seems like flying a plane on a clear day is pretty goddamn simple in the grand s
32 Post contains images Cadet57 : Shut up! You mean its not Ctrl+E to start my DC-10? WTF! I bought FS9 for realism!
33 MDorBust : hmmmm... Will that work on MD-10's also or is there a different procedure after the glass cockpit conversion?
34 Post contains images SATX : Ha ha ha.
35 Post contains images Cadet57 : Not in FS9
36 Hmmmm... : know how to fly a modern commercial jetliner would be relatively small.....anyone wanting information for such 'suspicious' purposes could find it eas
37 SATX : That's funny, but really, give it up already. If all it takes is reading a thread on A.net to successfully hijack another plane then there's somethin
38 Post contains images Falstaff : I always thought you just turned the key Not exactly an airplane, but a train can do some damage too. Back in the early 90s there was a story in the S
39 Hmmmm... : It wouldn't be a hijack at all. That is the point. And I am not blaming a.net for helping him with such information. The information is available from
40 Post contains links Osiris30 : Seriously dude: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=747+preflight+checklist&meta= http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&sa...q=747+engine+start+procedure
41 DeC : People lighten up. Full official airplane manuals are available to download for free in the net, airlines' official things which have EVERYTHING in it
42 Post contains images UAL757 : To start the plane up I push the two cool lookin' buttons on my yoke thingy!
43 Post contains images Allstarflyer : In the right order . Yes, the info here does present a valid concern, but, really, the odds of someone being able to get to an a/c, start it up, taxi
44 Peteg913 : I would suggest purchasing Flight Simulator 2004, or rather, Flight Simulator X as it comes out in 8 days! You will enjoy it. Pete
45 Mcoflyer : I guess this would be the correct procedure: !. check plane 2. start battery 3. start apu 4. turn off battery 5. check gauges 6. bleeds on 7. start se
46 KingAirMan : wow we are drifting way off the forum topic! The original poster only had one question.
47 Post contains images AirWillie6475 : My goodness, 16-20 year olds answering this question. That's A-net for you. Actually in flight sim all you do is start ignition and add fuel I's a li
48 Post contains links CF188A : for those who say the GVT does not want the publics eye on this stuff... well I found an F-16 command handbook. Enjoy http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/a
49 YWG : Sure enough this question does ring a few alarms in my head as well. But we must not forget that most airlines have checklists right in the cockpit de
50 EssentialPowr : I thought there were keys...and the pilots got them when they checked the weather.
51 SJCRRPAX : IN 2004 I think it was a Boeing 727 that was stolen in Angola. I don't remember if they ever found it but I do remember it just disappeared for at le
52 Hmmmm... : By the time controllers would report the situation to higher ups, the plane would be airborne. There is a chain of command that must be followed befo
53 Baron52ta : I think you will find the Citation was flown to Fla. not stolen there,and as to needing push back not so if you know how to self maneuver a jet,for ob
54 JAAlbert : Honestly, anybody thinking of doing a 9/11 will have to know an awful lot more than how to turn the darn airplane on! Once engines are started, how w
55 Osiris30 : Ok guys, no offense to anyone here but: If you are that paranoid about the terrorists to where you don't feel it's safe to exchange information that i
56 Aztec01 : Give it up Deaphen. even the simplest question on Anet can become an issue of international insecurity. Let's talk about religion instead!
57 Post contains images Aeroplan73 : If the plane is a Northwest DC-9, just go to the nose and start turning the crank.
58 BandA : uh huh! where do I report my imagination? After watching a recent TLC/Discovery documentry, I've been imagining that at some point somewhere an airli
59 PVG : CAUTION! Prior to taking any of the above steps, you'll need to plug in your brain!!!
60 Post contains links and images Theweave33 : Forgive the guy for asking a question about an airliner! Duh! www.airliners.net
61 Snaiks : lol inn other terms, i think thhere is much information around there, you can get the whole SOP from different airlines around the WWW just look for
62 Post contains images HAWK21M : The Engines are Fuel Guzzlers.Else the Airframes are Fantastic. True.The Poster just wanted the basics,no need of posting details. Hydraulics for Bra
63 David L : Check out the PMDG offerings. I'm not saying they're perfect but they're a lot closer than the default FS aircraft.
64 BAe146QT : Or the BAe146 V.3 panel project by Matthias Lieberecht. I don't have any frame of reference, (having never flown the real thing) but the panel and the
65 Post contains images Airfoilsguy : Cool link, now can someone tell me how to start an F-16
66 Post contains links HAWK21M : http://www.b737.org.uk/powerplant.htm regds MEL
67 113312 : Wind up the rubber bands and feed the rats. Just kidding, why do you want to know? Plan on taking one for a joy ride?
68 LTU932 : I believe Interflug had the flightdeck labels on their aircraft in both Cyrillic and German, probably for simplicity (even though Russian was compuls
69 Raventom : You know me too well...
70 Deaphen : well... i know how to start a motorcycle, a scooter, a car , a moped and a normal steam engined train... so why not a plane? lol Its just out of plai
71 Kc7mmi : Hmmmmm...: Look, in order for someone to even get the aircraft moving he'd need to start the engines with NO-ONE noticing (engines are a little noisy.
72 Post contains images HAWK21M : There are a few Incidents [someone mentioned it on the forums] of People actually stealing Aircraft regds MEL
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