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Whats Wrong With This Photo Lockheed C121C  
User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6261 times:

Ok guys and girls what is wrong with this photo in terms of modern aviation standards. Think in terms of a safety inspector, CEO, or other modern point point of view. I think this aircraft is beautiful and is perfect but it would never make it in today's modern word of cost reduction and safety directives.




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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6256 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Thread starter):
Whats Wrong With This Photo Lockheed C121C

You know....carpet isn't required for safety.  Big grin

Besides a crappy looking interior, I don't see too many safety hazards. What are you seeing?



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User currently offlineFighterPilot From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1412 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6249 times:

Floor lights? Well labeled exits?

Cal



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6243 times:

Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 2):
Floor lights? Well labeled exits?

I couldn't tell if those were bolts in the floor or small lights, so I don't know. The exits seem pretty well labeled, being bright yellow with lights above them.

Its no modern interior, that's for sure....and the point of this thread. But its still a helluva lot better than most GA aircraft.  

Edit: spelling

[Edited 2006-10-13 01:52:32]


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6420 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6243 times:

No emergency exit lights? No emergency aisle lights?


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6420 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6240 times:

Aaah....

No provision for emergency oxygen (in the event of a depressurization...)  Wink !!!



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6240 times:

Maybe you just have to sign a waiver before boarding, then.


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User currently offlineFighterPilot From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1412 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6223 times:

Round two...

What about the hooks on the roof?
Or better yet, people leaving their crap behind?

Cal

[Edited 2006-10-13 02:17:09]


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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6207 times:

Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 7):
What about the hooks on the roof?

Nah....static line hookups. You didn't see the other picture yet, did you?  Big grin


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User currently offlineMissedApproach From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 713 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6188 times:

From a marketing point of view, no IFE, no movie screen even, no overhead bins, no seatback trays. On the plus side, the windows are large enough that you can probably see something.
Oh, they've probably got too much legroom too!



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User currently offlineJerald01 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 161 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6159 times:

This aircraft is a personal injury lawsuit laywer's dream!

Just look at how many sprained / broken ankles the high-heel-wearing ladies would be able to file... just on one flight!

Or how many cracked skulls would there be from smacking same into those static line connectors on the walls and ceiling?

And what about the sprained backs, dislocated shoulders, and/or cricked necks that would result from passengers trying to sling their 45-lb backpack up into the non-existent overhead bins?

Ahhhh, yes. Those were the days of REAL aviation !



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6141 times:

Looks like First Class if you compare it to a C-130.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31692 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6102 times:

Emergency Exit Path lighting
Oxygen PSUs
Life Jackets.
 Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3663 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6064 times:
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Other than the path lighting and O2 generators, how much G's can those seats take?

Here's some pictures showing the interior complete so that you can see that it has full carpeting, plus a better look at the emergency exits:


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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6046 times:

Ryan Air just called and said " THOSE ROWS NEED TO BE 3-2 NOT 2-2!!!  hissyfit 

User currently offlineAvioniker From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1109 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5983 times:

Those rings in the sidewalls and ceiling were used for litter suspension and hat racks (among other things). Used them a lot in the 60's between Tan Son Nuht and Clark.


One may educate the ignorance from the unknowing but stupid is forever. Boswell; ca: 1533
User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5978 times:

Big version: Width: 1155 Height: 819 File size: 175kb


Here's its brother or sister at Davis Mothball about 1982 when these were still in preservation status and had to be brought out and run up every five years I think.


User currently offlineCascade07 From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5864 times:

It might be a bit "basic" inside but you've all got to admit.....they're a great looking bird!!  Smile


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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5855 times:

Quoting Cascade07 (Reply 17):
It might be a bit "basic" inside but you've all got to admit.....they're a great looking bird!!

Compound curves are a beautiful thing.

Not to put too fine a point on it but, the best looking airliner ever built. I've heard they were a dream to fly as well.


User currently offlineJerald01 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 161 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5803 times:

Along with some RC-135 crew-members, I was standing under the wing of our bird at Miami Int'l back in about 1966 when one of those 'Connies taxied by on it's way to the active. It was from some airline south of the equator, as I recall, and we all watched it 'cause it was such a beauty.

The pilot lined her up on the runway and put her four R-4830's to full power. The graceful lady got up to rotation speed quite soon and, just about the time the pilot pulled back on the yoke, one of the engines belched out a big gray cloud of smoke, followed by a loud "Bang!", and the unmistakable sputtering of 28 cylinders shutting down. The prop windmilled to a stop as the pilot turned her at the end of the runway.

He then proceeded to taxi back to the other end of the runway, pirouetted a 180, threw the power to the remaining three engines, and off she went into the southern skies with three turnin' and one, . . . well, let's just say it was only going along for the ride.



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User currently offline411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5750 times:

So much mis-information here, so here are a few facts...

1. Lockheed Constellation aircraft were not equipped with 28 cylinder R-4830 engines...whatever those are/were.

They were equipped with Curtis Wright R-3350 engines, and further, super Constellations as well as the 1649A, were equipped with Curtis Wright R-3350 turbocompound engines.

These CurtisWright engines had 18 cylinders.

2. Passenger supplemental oxygen was not required in these aircraft, as they were not authorized to be operated above 25,000 feet.
Walk around oxygen bottles were however provided, for medical purposes.

Altho I did not fly the USAF variety, I did fly the 1649A Constellation, and this aircraft was quite unique.
Unlike previous models of the Constellation, the 1649A had a new, very long, tapered high speed wing, that held nearly 10,000 gallons of 115/145 avgas, and was capable of non-stop flights in excess of 22 hours, at 315 knots TAS.

A superbly delightful airplane to fly.


User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5701 times:

Quoting 411A (Reply 20):
Passenger supplemental oxygen was not required in these aircraft, as they were not authorized to be operated above 25,000 feet.

Nowadays, it would be.  redflag 

Required over 14,000 for the crew, 15,000 for passengers.



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User currently offlineMeister808 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 973 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5602 times:

Quoting 411A (Reply 20):
A superbly delightful airplane to fly.

Lucky bastard.

-Meister



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User currently offline411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5470 times:

Actually, Meister, I always preferred the Stratocruiser...bigger flight deck., altho the ones I flew had been just slightly ahhh, enlarged.
The Connie was a bit narrow.
DC-6B, second choice.

Jets?

B707 was very nice.
L1011 even nicer.

Turbopropeller types?

Electra, hands down, the best ever.


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5467 times:
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Quoting 411A (Reply 23):
altho the ones I flew had been just slightly ahhh, enlarged.

So how did the performance of the Guppy compare with that of the Stratocruiser? Any operational differences apart from loading/unloading?  eyebrow 



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25 411A : On the B377PG, the following cautions needed to be observed 1. The speed limit was 250 knots true due to structural issues. Normal cruise speed was 22
26 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Ahhhh...I've wondered about those landings for a long time: View Large View MediumPhoto © Stuart Prince Interesting info. Thanks for sharing, 41
27 474218 : Who did you fly the Guppy's for?
28 411A : AeroSpacelines, only briefly, piston powered models only.
29 474218 : Did you know Van Shepard? I worked on the TIFS for Tex Johnson Aerospace, in the same hanger as Aero Space Lines. Van Shepard was killed in the Turbo
30 411A : Yes, I met Van a couple of times. Also sadly killed in the Guppy201 crash was Hal Hanson, the Dir Flt Ops. TIFS was a very odd looking airplane as I r
31 Post contains links and images 474218 : "Strange nose" no way, just your standard Boeing 707 nose on a Convair 580. View Large View MediumPhoto © Peter de Groot Beauty is skin deep, bu
32 Prebennorholm : Isn't it so that you can go to 25,000 feet without supplemental oxygen, but in case of cabin decompression, then any plane - with or without suppleme
33 411A : The limit on FL250 is for pax supplemental oxygen only. FD crew must have it available at all altitudes, for reasons such as smoke/fumes etc. Alleghen
34 Starlionblue : ".... exits are located here, here and here... Don't get up too fast or you may feel woozy. Under no circumstances attempt to join the mile high club
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