Airfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5355 times:
Ok guys and girls what is wrong with this photo in terms of modern aviation standards. Think in terms of a safety inspector, CEO, or other modern point point of view. I think this aircraft is beautiful and is perfect but it would never make it in today's modern word of cost reduction and safety directives.
Usnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 55 Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5350 times:
Usnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 55 Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5337 times:
I couldn't tell if those were bolts in the floor or small lights, so I don't know. The exits seem pretty well labeled, being bright yellow with lights above them.
Its no modern interior, that's for sure....and the point of this thread. But its still a helluva lot better than most GA aircraft.
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5337 times:
No emergency exit lights? No emergency aisle lights?
Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5334 times:
Aaah....
No provision for emergency oxygen (in the event of a depressurization...) !!!
Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
Usnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 55 Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5334 times:
Maybe you just have to sign a waiver before boarding, then.
Usnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 55 Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5301 times:
MissedApproach From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 713 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5282 times:
From a marketing point of view, no IFE, no movie screen even, no overhead bins, no seatback trays. On the plus side, the windows are large enough that you can probably see something.
Oh, they've probably got too much legroom too!
Jerald01 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 161 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5253 times:
This aircraft is a personal injury lawsuit laywer's dream!
Just look at how many sprained / broken ankles the high-heel-wearing ladies would be able to file... just on one flight!
Or how many cracked skulls would there be from smacking same into those static line connectors on the walls and ceiling?
And what about the sprained backs, dislocated shoulders, and/or cricked necks that would result from passengers trying to sling their 45-lb backpack up into the non-existent overhead bins?
Ahhhh, yes. Those were the days of REAL aviation !
"There may be old pilots, and there may be bold pilots, but there are darn few green cows"
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5235 times:
Looks like First Class if you compare it to a C-130.
Ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3492 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5158 times:
Other than the path lighting and O2 generators, how much G's can those seats take?
Here's some pictures showing the interior complete so that you can see that it has full carpeting, plus a better look at the emergency exits:
Avioniker From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1109 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5077 times:
Those rings in the sidewalls and ceiling were used for litter suspension and hat racks (among other things). Used them a lot in the 60's between Tan Son Nuht and Clark.
One may educate the ignorance from the unknowing but stupid is forever. Boswell; ca: 1533
Dougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5072 times:
Here's its brother or sister at Davis Mothball about 1982 when these were still in preservation status and had to be brought out and run up every five years I think.
Jerald01 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 161 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4897 times:
Along with some RC-135 crew-members, I was standing under the wing of our bird at Miami Int'l back in about 1966 when one of those 'Connies taxied by on it's way to the active. It was from some airline south of the equator, as I recall, and we all watched it 'cause it was such a beauty.
The pilot lined her up on the runway and put her four R-4830's to full power. The graceful lady got up to rotation speed quite soon and, just about the time the pilot pulled back on the yoke, one of the engines belched out a big gray cloud of smoke, followed by a loud "Bang!", and the unmistakable sputtering of 28 cylinders shutting down. The prop windmilled to a stop as the pilot turned her at the end of the runway.
He then proceeded to taxi back to the other end of the runway, pirouetted a 180, threw the power to the remaining three engines, and off she went into the southern skies with three turnin' and one, . . . well, let's just say it was only going along for the ride.
"There may be old pilots, and there may be bold pilots, but there are darn few green cows"
411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4844 times:
So much mis-information here, so here are a few facts...
1. Lockheed Constellation aircraft were not equipped with 28 cylinder R-4830 engines...whatever those are/were.
They were equipped with Curtis Wright R-3350 engines, and further, super Constellations as well as the 1649A, were equipped with Curtis Wright R-3350 turbocompound engines.
These CurtisWright engines had 18 cylinders.
2. Passenger supplemental oxygen was not required in these aircraft, as they were not authorized to be operated above 25,000 feet.
Walk around oxygen bottles were however provided, for medical purposes.
Altho I did not fly the USAF variety, I did fly the 1649A Constellation, and this aircraft was quite unique.
Unlike previous models of the Constellation, the 1649A had a new, very long, tapered high speed wing, that held nearly 10,000 gallons of 115/145 avgas, and was capable of non-stop flights in excess of 22 hours, at 315 knots TAS.
Usnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 55 Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4795 times:
Quoting 411A (Reply 20): Passenger supplemental oxygen was not required in these aircraft, as they were not authorized to be operated above 25,000 feet.
Nowadays, it would be.
Required over 14,000 for the crew, 15,000 for passengers.
Meister808 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 972 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4696 times:
Quoting 411A (Reply 20): A superbly delightful airplane to fly.
Lucky bastard.
-Meister
Twin Cessna 812 Victor, Minneapolis Center, we observe your operation in the immediate vicinity of extreme precipitation
411A From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1826 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4564 times:
Actually, Meister, I always preferred the Stratocruiser...bigger flight deck., altho the ones I flew had been just slightly ahhh, enlarged.
The Connie was a bit narrow.
DC-6B, second choice.
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4561 times:
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Quoting 411A (Reply 23): altho the ones I flew had been just slightly ahhh, enlarged.
So how did the performance of the Guppy compare with that of the Stratocruiser? Any operational differences apart from loading/unloading?
2H4
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25 411A: On the B377PG, the following cautions needed to be observed 1. The speed limit was 250 knots true due to structural issues. Normal cruise speed was 22
28 411A: AeroSpacelines, only briefly, piston powered models only.
29 474218: Did you know Van Shepard? I worked on the TIFS for Tex Johnson Aerospace, in the same hanger as Aero Space Lines. Van Shepard was killed in the Turbo
30 411A: Yes, I met Van a couple of times. Also sadly killed in the Guppy201 crash was Hal Hanson, the Dir Flt Ops. TIFS was a very odd looking airplane as I r
32 Prebennorholm: Isn't it so that you can go to 25,000 feet without supplemental oxygen, but in case of cabin decompression, then any plane - with or without suppleme
33 411A: The limit on FL250 is for pax supplemental oxygen only. FD crew must have it available at all altitudes, for reasons such as smoke/fumes etc. Alleghen
34 Starlionblue: ".... exits are located here, here and here... Don't get up too fast or you may feel woozy. Under no circumstances attempt to join the mile high club
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