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Pilatus PC-12:Right Aircraft?  
User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

Hi,

I'm writting a business plan to start a new airline. I plan to flight in Eastern Canada only.

I'm looking for a very fuel efficient aircraft not bigger than 19 px. The leg should not be longer than 400-500nm. as exemple YQB-YYZ or YYZ-YOW-YQB.

Pilatus PC-12 looks very efficient. and it's not too risky ($$$) for a start-up.

What do you think?

Thank for your input, I really appreciate.

Luc

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User currently offlineTwotterwrench From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3998 times:

PC-12 is a great aircraft. Big door and the best engine money can buy. Lots of versatility in seating arrangements. Downside is a prop and intake that are very close to the ground and susceptable to gravel damage. If you are flying pavement to pavement, it will do you great. If not, hire pilots that know what they are doing on gravel operations. It is not impossible to operate this acft on rough strips, but it takes a certain amount of finese. The engine cowling does incorporate an inertial seperator to keep rocks and such out of the intakes, but the prop takes a lickin in the hands of a cocky pilot. Same prob the caravan had. What types of operations are you looking at?


User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3992 times:

Thank for your input,

I'm looking for schedule airline. I would like to start with 1 aircraft for the first year. After we learn to operate the aircraft, get 2-3 aircrafts and get full economy of scales. I want to be feed by regional operator from northern part of quebec and give than access to Montreal/ottawa/toronto area via my aircrafts. I would like to be base at YQB Quebec city because AC air Canada don't serve very well this market.

What do you think?

Luc


User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3980 times:

Single engine pax plane for schedualed service?

Did you even open a reg book?

It's not allowed.

Beach 1900, Jetstream 31 are your only option in that market .

JET


User currently offlineCrjmech From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

Single engine pax plane for schedualed service?

Did you even open a reg book?

It's not allowed.

Beach 1900, Jetstream 31 are your only option in that market .

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Ummm... then how do you explain these guys? http://www.smartair.ca




Thou shalt mind thine altitude,lest the ground reach up and smite thee.
User currently offlineTwotterwrench From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

Jet ....

a - He's operating in Canada

b- FAA Part 135 allows single pilot single engine aircraft to operate as a scheduled airline. Without it, aviation in Alaska would not exist.

c- Currently, you can operate single engine single pilot IFR passenger operations in the Cessna 208 with the proper equipment installed in the aircraft.

d - check out Bering Air, Cape Smythe air service, Flight International (in Alaska... formerly Yute Air), Olson Air in Nome... they all operate single pilot single engine passenger airlines.

e - have a nice day


User currently offlineNbirger From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3962 times:

Hey Aad665,

Here in Vancouver my local Flying School uses a PC-12 for small regional flights. I talked to my instructors and they are given the chance to fly them. All I hear are great things about it. The ones they have are configured for 2 crew + 9 passengers. They have a great PC-12 intern program which I hope to one day take part of.

Go to www.montair.com to see their info. about how they use the PC-12

Best of Luck,
-Nick

Can you hire me to fly it?


User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

I have been working on a similar business plan too.

the pilatus PC12, while being a a very modern aircraft may not be the best choice. IMO, the Cessna 208 is a much more viable option.

Operating expenses are much less. Secondly, availability of maintainance & spares is an issue. The 208 is a proven eqpt to operate in and out of semi-prepared airstrips. Also the 208 can be very quickly converted into a freighter. In my business plan this was vital, since the 208's could do pax service by day and freighters by night. with the 208's the conversion can be done in under an hour. Also the 208's have an under-floor baggage compartment. Not sure iof the PC12 has that.

Now the downside: the 208 is much slower than the PC12. Avg block speed is just around 160 knots, compared to over 240 knots for the PC12. The 208 also has an image problem in that it is seen here as a"dabba" (flying box). so while it has no problems in a pure freighter use, it may cause trouble to your mktg staff trying to sell pax tickets.

Overall the 208 is an impressive m/c, and i suggest u atlest take a look at it.

Regards.
Roy.


User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

OOOOOPS....Didn't rea;lize it was Canada.

Sorry.

JET


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