Smoose From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 1 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4269 times:
Norwegian media are reporting that investigation into the crash at SRP/ENSO last week found that it may have been caused by the failure to deploy the spoilers/liftdumps upon landing and the speed/lift then resulted in the overrun.
Are the spoilers on the BAe-146 so vital to the stopping of the aircraft that this may be a likely cause?
The runway was 1400 metres long and it had been raining at the time of the accident.
You move to the lever backwards to a detent in flight to operate the airbrake. When on the ground you pull the lever through the detent to operate the lift dump. You can make out the two marks on the photo. I believe the lift spoilers can make 40% difference to landing distance. The RJ series has automatically deployed lift spoilers on touch down.
Vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 11229 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4185 times:
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1): They can be important, but would they really make THAT much of a diff over the whole length of the roll-out? I don't know.
Assuming the -146 has typical upper-wing-surface spoilers (in addition to the split cone airbrake), then they can make a significant difference, especially given slippery conditions. The spoilers dump the lift, putting more weight on the wheels, which gives the wheels increased traction (not to mention, they also add more drag). Hence, no spoilers = reduced traction = increased chance of hydroplaning/skidding.
1400 meters =~ 4600 feet. Assuming touchdown at 1000', you have 3600' in which to stop. I'd imagine it would not be farfetched to have an overrun in the case of some serious hydroplaning.
But I'll leave it to the pilots to confirm/critique (pretty sure we have an ex -146 pilot in here...)
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MerlinIIIB From Norway, joined Aug 2005, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4005 times:
Given the short runway, why did the crew perform "several attempts" to deploy the spoilers (according to media here)? Why not initiate TOGA immediatelly when suspecting malfunction of the spolers instead of spending time operating the lever several times?
One of the engines was running several minutes after the crash...