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How Do You Track Flight Hours  
User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

When do they start? Does taxi time count? Does everyone on the flight deck claim flight hours or just the pilot who is holding the controls? If you are stuck in a taxi way holdong for an hour is that counted?

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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

You log time off the hobbs meter. It counts in 1/10 of an hour and starts turning when the plane is turned on and stops when the plane is shut down. So yes, taxi time, holding time, ect is counted.

Now, if everyone on the flight deck logs the time the answer is it depends. I'll let someone else answer if they can before I look it up in the FARs to make sure I'm right.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7408 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3875 times:
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Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 1):
You log time off the hobbs meter. It counts in 1/10 of an hour and starts turning when the plane is turned on and stops when the plane is shut down. So yes, taxi time, holding time, ect is counted.

In the airlines, of those who have it, 100% of flight time is tracked on the ACARS. I tells you when the brakes are released/engaged(block-in/block-out), when the aircraft leaves/hits (off and on).



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User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

In recip aircraft, I use the Hobbs meter. Its accurate enough and, in my opinion, any inaccuracies average out in the end.

However, one has to be mindful in complex aircraft. Often the hobbs meter tracks flight time, not the block time or the time the electrical system is turned on. A weight on wheels switch controls its operation.

In these aircraft I pay attention to my block times and use that to log my flight time. Thats what I get paid for and what goes in the paperwork, so it also works out well that way.

Checko



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

I know alot of folks who are building time in recips will log time as PIC as well as whoever's in the right seat, provided the other guy is "under the hood", as a safety pilot...good way to time build for both.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you could technically log taxi time even if you just taxied the aircraft from one end of the airport to the other and only logged .1, as you're technically operating the aircraft. I've never claimed time for it, but I know some guys who do.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 4):
I know alot of folks who are building time in recips will log time as PIC as well as whoever's in the right seat, provided the other guy is "under the hood", as a safety pilot...good way to time build for both.

The only way to legally do this is if the safety pilot has agreed to be the PIC for the flight, otherwise, you COULD log it as SIC time, but why do that.

One must remember that as PIC you are responsible for the safety of flight, so if the other pilot screws up, its your fault in the FAA's eyes.

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 4):
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you could technically log taxi time even if you just taxied the aircraft from one end of the airport to the other and only logged .1, as you're technically operating the aircraft. I've never claimed time for it, but I know some guys who do.

I did it once when the oil pressure was acting up!  Silly

It cost me $30, so I felt that between making a safety of flight decision and paying for the taxi time, I was justified.

As long as you are properly rated and it doesn't become a habit, the occasional (once in my case) taxi log, probably won't be a problem.

Checko



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 5):
The only way to legally do this is if the safety pilot has agreed to be the PIC for the flight, otherwise, you COULD log it as SIC time, but why do that.

Right, I've done it on some training hops where I was splitting time with someone else and they needed some instrument time and someone else to watch to make sure they weren't going to kill themselves.

As for the taxi thing, you're probably right with that, I took a 182 back after it didn't run up right, it didn't cost me anything but I had the 'intent' to fly  Wink

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):
In the airlines, of those who have it, 100% of flight time is tracked on the ACARS.

It all depends on the airline as not all have ACARS. Many track from wheels up to wheels down. Some track from off the gate to on the gate.



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

I believe WN counts off and on times, so hence why everyone taxies so damn fast. Kind of cheap of them but it motivates them to taxi faster.

Deltaguy


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 4):
but you could technically log taxi time even if you just taxied the aircraft from one end of the airport to the other and only logged .1, as you're technically operating the aircraft.

While it may be technically legal, I'm sure many would frown upon it. Many times I've returned to the ramp either prior to or following my run-up because something wasn't right. I've never logged the time.

I just make a point to fly a bit longer next time.  Smile


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3713 times:

I log my time from out to in. My out time starts when I spin the first engine and my in time is the time the chocks go in. For the purposes of airframe time, we only track off and on times, as well as landings. Everything runs off of my $30 Timex.


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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3694 times:

I know some airlines don't have acars but the OOOI times, how does that work?

User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3662 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 11):
know some airlines don't have acars but the OOOI times, how does that work?

Captain's watch or cockpit clock. Once you pass 10,000 you radio your out/off times to ops or dispatch. When you arrive you pass the on/in along to be entered.



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