A few notes about the Dutch Harbor Airport.....There is a matching hill behind the aircraft just like the one you can see beyond the runway. From this direction the pattern is a left hand one around the mountain on the left hand side of the runway. This photo was taken by a pilot friend of mine just after he made the 90' turn to final. Decision height...If memory serves is 2200 ft on the approach...Sorry don't have a book here to look up the specifics. Markair used to fly 737-200 into there and Alaska Airlines still does.
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Ambasaid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5578 times:
If you are going to talk about challenging airports you really have to consider the approach aids. I wouldnt consider any airport with an ILS to be tough, but one with a step down VOR approach followed by a circle to land within a valley is pretty interesting. (Kathmandu)
Either that or any place where you have to do a single pilot NDB approach!
KaiTak is still loaded in our sim, its fun, but you would be surprised at the number of sim joyriders who can hack it first time, 2 ILS's with lead in strobe lights.
I dont see what the problem is with DCA, even if you mess it up, there is nothing around you to fly into.
Gocaps16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4329 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5558 times:
The problem with the River visual 19 approach at DCA is that you have to manuever the plane without entering P56. Many obsticles like the Washington Monument and the bridges over the Potomac river is to watch out for.
Aria From Iran, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5472 times:
In the airline I work for, you don't have to do a single pilot anything....maybe, a single NDB approach...with lots of help from the support pilot...but, you are right, throw some of those 'newbees' into the sim for a go at the old KaiTak, and it was pretty impressive...until you throw in the old KaiTak winds...with variable crosswinds all through final, plus the inevitable tailwind to low altitude, that MAY decide to turn into a headwind...forget what the tower is reporting, it bears little relationship to reality...thank goodness we fly reference ground speed or, some days, the thing would fall out of the sky
Remember- A Monkey CAN fly an aeroplane.....but, only with considerable and consistent support from someone doing the thinking..
Aria From Iran, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5460 times:
I think Iainhol has summed it up best....the toughest approach we ever do, is when something has gone wrong, badly wrong, with the aeroplane itself....no matter how good the weather, if the aeroplane is broken, & you are low on fuel (something the CEOs & shareholders love, but we hate) everywhere becomes a more difficult airport......by-the-way, where is DCA??
(In old-australian, is was Department of Civil Aviation!)
Windshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2319 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5470 times:
Sønderstrømfjord in Greenland is one of the most demanding approaches in the world, the app. procedure is done between mountains and glaciers, sharp and frequent turns are required for tjhe approach.
At final the pilots see a mountain behind the runway, so braking is crutual, although the mountain isn't located just behind the runway, it sure raises the crews puls a tad:O)
The airport is a former USAF base, it still is, but mainlty it's tourists.
SAS flies to the city two times a week or so, with 767's, so if that's not a challenge then I do not know what it is...
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PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5428 times:
Aria, lainhol, Ambasaid-I'm sure those would be the toughest if you factor in those events.
But I remember Delta737, in a Comair thread saying that River Visual approach at DCA (Washington D.C. Ronald Reagan National) was the toughest, at least among US pilots. But I'm surprised with the other tough ones.
Besides these, wouldn't London and NYC be tough with the traffic?
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LeeJ From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5378 times:
I can't believe anyone hasn't mentioned Funchal (Madeira, Portugal). Curved approach lights, short sloped runway, mountains one side, sea the other - the strip was actually created by blowing up the side of a hill! I have flown in here twice - amazing - although you can't experience the short runway now as it has been extended out to see by way of a pontoon on 200ft pylons buried into the sea bed!
: No one has mentioned a small airstrip somewhere in the alps which is definetly the toughest. I have next to no info on it except that it is located on
: LFLJ, Courchevel in the french alps is a cool looking airport. You have to see that shots: http://members.aon.at/~slenz/dash7.html#Courchevel I think
: Among the most difficult approaches: the french island of St-Barthelemy in the Caribeans; Chicago-Midway; St-Moritz in Switzerland;
: Zauberfloete - That is exactly the airport i was referring to! So maybe i exagerated the length a little but the rest was true. Had no idea that Dash
: What about the Canarsie 13L Appr. at JFK???
: Although I am not a pilot I have to say that several pilots have told me that Mexico City´s Mateo Five arrival to runway 05 R is quite a demanding ap
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: Bottom line is you have to pay attention to ALL of them. Some do demand more "awareness". The toughest Approach is the one you don't walk away from or
: I understand San Diego is sort of tough. Also, Hong Kong (Checkerboard) was tough before they closed it.
: The toughest approach airport i've flow'n to is Funchal, Portugal (FNC/LPFU), i was really scared when the Finnair MD80 i was flying in was going to l