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Device Atop Unmarked Airport Patrol Car?  
User currently offlineRedcordes From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

A few weeks ago, I was picking an airline pilot friend up at ALB and noticed an unmarked car cruising the parking lot with two uniformed men and a device mounted on top of the car about 12 inches in diameter and about 2 inches thick. It had an intake grill on the front and a cable running into one of the windows. WTF ? Hillary Clinton had arrived about 2 hours earlier and guessed she would be headed out soon. Any thoughts or similar observations ?


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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

Do you have a picture? It sounds like it could have been an antenna of some sort.


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User currently offlineRedcordes From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

No picture. But because it had an intake grill in the front and my gut feeling I doubt highly that it was an antenna.


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User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

I wonder if it was a infrared camera??

I know at YYZ they have a disc-like object on top of their firetrucks that allow them to see in the dark / smoky conditions??

1011yyz



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

External Air conditioner?


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User currently offlineRedcordes From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
External Air conditioner?

No, definitely not. It only had electrical wires connected to it. I'm quite sure it was a device to detect something in the air. I guess it's something quite new, judging by the fact that no one else has seen one, as far as I know.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2027 times:

I don't really have any clue what it could be but...

While I was looking around for what it could be I found two police officers I most certainly never want to be around.



Hey!!! Would you mind pointing that automatic weapon some where other than your buddies head?

As for the device..

I wouldn't think it would be a radiation sniffer as those are readily available in handheld. Nor would I think it would be an airborne hazard detector since you really need lab testing of samples to accurately determine what is in the air. Perhaps some sort of antenna. Was a game on at the time?


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

Sounds like an Antenna.Any Sketch possibility.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineRedcordes From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
Sounds like an Antenna.Any Sketch possibility.
regds
MEL

I don't think it was an antenna--if so, because there was a grill in front it would be directed forward. Also, the car was cruising all around the parking lot. It just struck me as odd, and remember, Hillary and Bill were either there at the time or to be returning shortly. No question it was a security device of some sort.



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User currently offlineSpruit From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 6):
Hey!!! Would you mind pointing that automatic weapon some where other than your buddies head?

Although I agree with you that a weapon should never be pointed, all Met officers are extensively trained, his finger is off the trigger, the safety catch would be on and no round would be chambered!

If it were not like this, i'm sure his duty officer would have words!



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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1985 times:

Quoting Spruit (Reply 9):
no round would be chambered

That's real useful!


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 10):
That's real useful!

Very OOT, and my fault for even bringing it up, but that isn't actually a problem with HK weapons. PM or new thread for details.

And now, back to the mystery roof top device... Was it upright or laying flat on the roof?


User currently offlineSpruit From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1977 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 10):
That's real useful!

Maybe, maybe not, this is a UK police force where gun crime is not so prevelant as say the USA and I have no doubt that he could get that MP5 going in double quick time if needed.

Cheers,

Spru!



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User currently offlineRedcordes From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 11):

And now, back to the mystery roof top device... Was it upright or laying flat on the roof?

It was flat and painted the same color as the car--silver or gold. I'd bet my bottom dollar that it was sniffing the air. It wasn't quite round, and it had a very short (2 inches) cylindrical shape with perforations on the front side. Honest to God, it was a sci-fi type moment when I said to myself: WTF is that thing. Because of the two uniformed occupants (didn't look like airport security)in the car and the fact that ALB was probably under a high level of security due to the VIP's visiting, it's almost got to be an air-snifing, high-security device. That was my immediate impression at the time and still is.



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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1962 times:

Quoting Spruit (Reply 12):
Maybe, maybe not, this is a UK police force where gun crime is not so prevelant as say the USA and I have no doubt that he could get that MP5 going in double quick time if needed.

A lot quicker to thumb off the safety and fire as you acquire your target and fire , than have to reach up and pull the charging handle.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 14):
than have to reach up and pull the charging handle.

... but you don't on the HK. You can carry it pre-chaged with the cocking handle locked back and simply slap the cocking handle with your support hand as you transition to firing position. The cocking handle is under spring load and will charge the weapon once you hit it. Similar to the bolt catch on the M-16/AR type rifles.



This is a CETME. The grand father of the HKG3 and MP5. You can see the charging handle laying flat aginst the barrel rear of the front sight and forward of the light coil wire. Slightly behind the coil wire is a small depression. This is the slot the charging handle would be in if actoin were open.

It is a very fast action to bring into battery when you need to.


And now that we are super off topic....

Quoting Redcordes (Reply 13):
It was flat and painted the same color as the car--silver or gold.

If it was flat there are many things it could be.

Most likely it was an antenna for an invehicle communications and computer system. The vent was likely to be for cooling the system.

It wouldn't make sense to put an airsniffing device parallel to the roof of the car since it would be limited n the amount of air it takes in to boundry flow around the cars body.

I seriously doubt it was connected to visiting VIPs. The secret service has a habit of not wearing uniforms.

Or it could be this thing...

http://vs-electronics.en.alibaba.com.../Car_Roof_Top_Air_Conditioner.html

[Edited 2006-11-20 19:09:12]

User currently offlineRedcordes From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

No definitely not an air-conditioner. It was mounted lifted off the roof a bit, and I think it would still be getting plenty of air to analyze. I would say it definitely was connected to the visiting VIP's. Thes guys were not regular airport security, rent-a-cops, state troopers or local police--why were they there at that time? The unifroms were very plain with an arm patch of some sort. I believe the car was a fairly new Chevrolet Impala. Again these guys were cruising all the rows of the parking lot--they seemed to be on a mission and this cruising is probably related to the device. I feel the logical assumption at this time is that it was an air-analyzing device and not some antenna. Why can't anyone get on board with this thought--I understand some scepticism, but not to the point of excluding what appears fairly obvious.


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User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

I think I know what it is- an air sniffer. Wehave some here in NYC at the major train stations. It checks the air for NBC particles. They consists of a white box and a small chimney as an air intake. What you saw on the car was the air intake. The machine was properly in the trunk or in that back seat. Did the car have tinted windows? If so most likely government employees of some sort(DHS)?

[Edited 2006-11-20 20:03:01]


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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

Maybe it was a low-profile LED warning light.



Mark


User currently offlineRedcordes From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

No, it wasn't completely round and it was painted the same color as the car--it was definitely not a lens. The front was perforated with small holes. Definitely not a light. I feel sure it was a device to sample the air.


"The only source of knowledge is experience." A. Einstein "Science w/o religion is lame. Religion w/o science is blind."
User currently offlineBAe146QT From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 996 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

How about one of those funky surveillance microphones? The sort that detect vibrations of windows?

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Although I agree with you that a weapon should never be pointed, all Met officers are extensively trained, his finger is off the trigger, the safety catch would be on and no round would be chambered!

In addition, I think there's some parallax error there. I believe the one pointing the weapon is standing slightly closer to the camera, so the muzzle is probably pointing past his colleague's head, at the ceiling.



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