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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3292 posts, RR: 13
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6073 times:
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Hey, guys. I hope this is the right forum.

Is there anywhere I can find airport approach and depature pattern maps? I emphasize maps. I've found the charts that show the ILS vectors and such, but are there maps out there that show the airport and all the possible paths into and out of the airport? I have a flight plan from a CO flight out of FRA and on the back there is a topographic map with all the paths drawn on it for each runway. Anywhere to find these online? If it helps, I am looking for the airports I usuall fly into and the ones I'm close to.

JFK
EWR
LGA
GVA
ZRH
ATH
ABE

Thanks!

TIS


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User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1609 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6065 times:

Good question. Are you referring to the SIDs and STARs? Try Jeppesen or the FAA.gov and maybe they will have some for the US airports in question.

A smaller airport like ABE will not have a SID or STAR in all likelihood. Planes reach the last point on the ATC flight plan and are normally given radar vectors to intercept the final approach course. Same at a larger airport like JFK, even though they will have a STAR. It is also different in the US than it is in Switzerland regarding departure routes. The US is less noise sensitive and also generally has fewer terrain issues, so the departure procedures and SIDs are normally very simple and pilots are normally given a heading off the runway in order to intercept the filed route.

In other words, other than the SID and STAR charts and of course the airway charts, there are not many other printed maps. But if these are what you are looking for, try Jeppesen or the FAA for the US airports and Jeppesen for the non-US airports.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6043 times:

I think about the only things you're going to find are approach plates and SIDs/STARs, and those aren't going to have any topographical features depicted on them like a map would, since they're designed for IFR use and not predicated on being able to see anything on the ground.

User currently offlineJdl1527 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6033 times:

http://www.myairplane.com/databases/approach/index.php?mode=d

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6032 times:

Agreed. Except for the Visual Approaches with ground references noted, don't know where you can get the maps you seek. You can get the info from the approach plate and transfer it to your own map.

Check out the Expressway Visual for 31 at La Guardia.

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0612/00289EXPRESSWAY_VIS31.PDF



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User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6007 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 2):
I think about the only things you're going to find are approach plates and SIDs/STARs, and those aren't going to have any topographical features depicted on them like a map would, since they're designed for IFR use and not predicated on being able to see anything on the ground.


Not actual topographical data but Jepps and NOA charts now have elevation changes shown!

Bottom line is there are arrival routes and departure routes that can be derived from charts if all is flowing normal, but toss in thunderstorms and all that goes to hell.



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