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How Did US Ops Solve This....  
User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

I came across this photo. How did US Airways solve this problem? I assume they flew it anyway. Seems like the best way to get rid of the bee problem.


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Thoughts?


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User currently offlineFlametech21 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

Funny stuff!  rotfl 

I work for AA ops so I'm not sure how US actually solved it, but if this happened to one of our planes, here's what I would do:

Bees don't just randomly invade places. My guess is that there is some sort of fluid spilled on that surface that is attracting them. This could mean a leak from somewhere in the wing, so personally a would not let this bird fly.

To fix it, I would start by running the plane at a high-speed taxi for a bit to get rid of the bees. I would than take the plane into the mx hangar and inspect the tip of the wing to determine what the contaminant was and where it came from. I would then proceed to clean the surface and patch the leak, if there was one. After that I would say it was safe to fly.

However, if there wasn't anything on the surface and it was a totally random bee nest, I would try showering the wing with water or anti-ice fluid to get rid of them. I wouldn't let the plane take off with the bees on it, however. It probably wouldn't cause any harm but I wouldn't want to be the one liable if it did!



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User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2423 times:

80 knots tends to get rid of the peskiest bees beecause they don't like the stiff BrEEze.

User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Quoting Flametech21 (Reply 1):
it was a totally random bee nest

I think it's random, I don't think there's hydraulic lines going that far out there, plus, I don't think bees are too fond of Skydrol or -5606 Big grin

I've seen bees congregate in really random places before


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
I don't think there's hydraulic lines going that far out there

I cant speak for Airbusses, but for B737's, they dont go that far out. Only to the final actuator for the slats.

I was thinking US flew it anyway to get rid of the bees and then brought it back to 'base' and fixed the problem before anybody got stung.



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User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4630 posts, RR: 77
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2318 times:
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Call a bee-keeper, with his net and mask and portable smoke generator and a portable bee-box.
Provide him with a maintenance ladder.
Voilà ! It's free . He'll even thank you.
Here, firebrigades can also produce this kind of service



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User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 5):
Call a bee-keeper

You beat me to it! That's exactly what I first thought and I'm sure that's what they did.


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

The obvious resolution of an A vs. BEE dispute.

Interestingly, I used to find dead bees lying on the ramp almost every day during the summer months, all over the country. Always wondered if Jet-A stack gas killed them.



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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Thread starter):
Thoughts?

Nothing a can of Raid won't cure.


User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4630 posts, RR: 77
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2214 times:
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Quoting Miamiair (Reply 8):
Quoting AirframeAS (Thread starter):
Thoughts?

Nothing a can of Raid won't cure

Call me when you try it on a swarm, i need a good laugh these days !
 Big grin



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 7):
The obvious resolution of an A vs. BEE dispute.

Oh, so true. I was thinking about that. Now we have a REAL A vs. BEE war going in in here! :-P

Quoting Pihero (Reply 9):
Quoting Miamiair (Reply 8):
Quoting AirframeAS (Thread starter):
Thoughts?

Nothing a can of Raid won't cure

Call me when you try it on a swarm, i need a good laugh these days !

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 



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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 9):
Call me when you try it on a swarm, i need a good laugh these days !

What's the matter? Haven't you used Wasp & Hornet spray?


User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4630 posts, RR: 77
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2134 times:
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Quoting Miamiair (Reply 11):
What's the matter? Haven't you used Wasp & Hornet spray?

I saw, about five years ago someone try to spray some insecticide on a swarm.
I think he is still running with thousands of angry bees close behind !



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User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2255 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2099 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 8):
Nothing a can of Raid won't cure.

I'm not wanting to get into animal rights issues here BUT in some states you had better not try exterminating the honey bees or they may be "coming to take you away ha, ha"(it's from a song you know)


User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2092 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 5):
Call a bee-keeper

Or if there is no bee-keeper availabe, take off and make a beeline to the closest location which has one!



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User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4630 posts, RR: 77
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2081 times:
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And who said Tech-ops was boring ?

Quoting FredT (Reply 14):
take off and make a beeline to the closest location which has one!

Is that the reason the old BEA flights had "beeline xxx" as a call-sign ?



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2046 times:

Just when you thought USAir had no one left on the BEE scale!


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2041 times:

Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 13):
"coming to take you away ha, ha"(it's from a song you know)

And now I have that song in my head... Bastard.  Wink



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1984 times:

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 17):
And now I have that song in my head... Bastard.

Im so sorry I started this thread man, I didnt know this would end like this... Now you got a tune in your head that will make you go insane! Bwhahahaha!!!  Silly



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User currently offlineFlametech21 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Lol, this has turned into about the corniest a.net thread I've seen yet. Big grin

Now to "BEE" specific, here's my thoughts:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 8):
Nothing a can of Raid won't cure.

Do I hear you volunteering to do it?  Smile There's no way I'd go at that armed with just a can of raid and my slower than average legs. If I actually tried that I would get stung to hell and back! I think the best thing to do would be to call a bee keeper, but if one wasn't available I still think I would give them a good bath of de-icing fluid. That would have to get rid of them!



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User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1966 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Thread starter):
I assume they flew it anyway.

Can they legally fly that a/c with the nav light covered by the swarm?


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17118 posts, RR: 66
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 20):
Can they legally fly that a/c with the nav light covered by the swarm?

It wouldn't be covered for long.  Wink



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24961 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1927 times:

Well, you can't criticise the media if they call this a B319 a/c  Wink


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User currently offlineFredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2185 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

"And tonight on Economy Report: Latest news from the airline bees knees..."

I wonder if there is a specific reason for the bees choosing the nav light for their yearly conference*? Warmer, hotter... could it be the fact that it is redder?

Hmmm... perhaps they were all having a bad hairday and heard rumours of honeycomb in the winglets... ?



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1887 times:
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I didn't think there would be this much buzz about that photo.


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25 Pihero : The reason was that you weren't aware of a bee cause, methinks.
26 Post contains images AirframeAS : Thank you, Flame! *bows* It sure beats the stupidest thread I did in Non-av 2 weeks ago!! I wasn't expecting any replies at all, to tell ya the truth
27 Mender : Assuming that the aircraft had strobe lights in the same location as the position lights I'd just turn them on BEEcause I don't think they'd hang arou
28 2H4 : I think Airbus engineers have been watching Tech/Ops. Apparently, after reading about the clear advantages offered by bird-filled wing pods, they've
29 FredT : Nah, it's no good. Just another buzzword.
30 Post contains links and images Scooter01 : Come on folks, give the little guys a break -they were probably just looking for the Queen-Bee View Large View MediumPhoto © Jan-Olav Martinsen
31 2H4 : Now that's one honey of an airplane... 2H4
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